Laptop Pricing - A small rant.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Yeah but the P3 didn't have SSE2 like the p4 (and eventually SSE3) That's what made a lot of it possible. And AMD's ripped off versions.
It was backported to the PPro family with the PIII's rebranding to the Pentium M.
PPro was PPro -> PII -> PIII -> PIIIS -> PM
Netburst was P4 -> PD
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@creayt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@creayt said:
Everywhere I look I see developers using them, and honestly I just don't get it.
That's what convinced me to give one a try. It's not bad, but it's not good. Certainly not on par with Windows or Linux systems that I use for a fraction of the price. Last week I asked my office to replace mine with a $250 Chromebook as I'd be more productive. $5,000 isn't as useful as $250!!
It's so funny that you say that!!!!! I have an Acer Chromebook that was $160, and it blows the 15" Retina MacBook Pro away for web browsing. The scrolling and rendering performance is so much better that I almost made a video for YouTube. God it's such a relief to hear someone else say these things aloud.
I have you beat. My $150 Acer Chromebook that is years old is better than the just purchased MacBook Pro
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@thecreativeone91 said:
The problem is Apple is trying to do too much. in the PowerPC days things were simple they focused on one market. Now they are trying to get everyone and doing none of it well. I also think they should decided if they want to be a software company or a hardware. If they want to keep making OS 10 do it, then charge a small amount for it and let it run on any computer, forget about the hardware - which in recent years hasn't been to great. And make the software a lot better.
Totally disagree here. Their hardware is what IS great(ish), their software is what's terrible. Everything from the handicapped mouse acceleration curve, to their core mechanisms for windows placement and resizing, to their omnipresent top strip to represent application focus, to their implementation of "cut", and how they selectively withhold transferring focus to system dialogs in certain situations such that you have to hop in your mouse ( and they make the world's worst mouses, btw ) and drive across town to dismiss a dialog. I could literally go on for hours but there are just endless, endless software design decisions that slow you down on a minutely basis compared to Windows.
I'd tried literally 5 different 4k monitors before I got to the retina iMac, and couldn't use any of them for work because of performance. It's the first one that actually manages 60Hz at a crisp and readable size, and for that reason I love it ( running Windows ). Their laptops, phones, and tablets are also typically well-made from a hardware perspective, IMO.
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Font rendering used to be a big thing for mac os too but, the cleartype fonts on windows are just as good as the OS X antialiasing to me now.
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@creayt said:
I'm the asshole that thinks OS X is too sprinkled w/ latency to use for web development. I notice that command + tab has a slight, imperceptible to some people, delay before it fades onto the screen when compared w/ Windows' alt + tab on the same machine. I wouldn't be shocked if I did feel some benefit
I doubt you are the only one. I find that the latest version of OS X (Yosemite?) and the one bfore it is basically unusable for me. Everything is just dirt slow (even on a 21" iMac from 2014). It adds extra characters to files when you access them over a windows share, and a host of other issues.
I have Said iMac sitting on my desk next to me... Running Windows Server 2012 and Hyper-V, lol.
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@dafyre said:
I doubt you are the only one. I find that the latest version of OS X (Yosemite?) and the one bfore it is basically unusable for me. Everything is just dirt slow (even on a 21" iMac from 2014). It adds extra characters to files when you access them over a windows share, and a host of other issues.
I have Said iMac sitting on my desk next to me... Running Windows Server 2012 and Hyper-V, lol.
That's hilarious. I may not be the only one, but I'm the only developer out of 20 or so that I've talked to about it that notices it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I have you beat. My $150 Acer Chromebook that is years old is better than the just purchased MacBook Pro
This whole conversation is especially hilarious to me, because when I stumbled upon that SMB Journal site I was like "Sweet! Someone that's actually extremely good and passionate at their job and that has just schooled me on a handful of important RAID considerations" ( I read like 7 articles on it the first night ).
And then... when you had me join Mango, and I stumbled onto the "what's your desk like" thread... and saw that you worked off of just a MacBook Pro... my jaw hit the floor. And I was like "WTF?!?!, how is that possible?" Now I know the real story LOL.
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@creayt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have you beat. My $150 Acer Chromebook that is years old is better than the just purchased MacBook Pro
This whole conversation is especially hilarious to me, because when I stumbled upon that SMB Journal site I was like "Sweet! Someone that's actually extremely good and passionate at their job and that has just schooled me on a handful of important RAID considerations" ( I read like 7 articles on it the first night ). And then... when you had me join Mango, and I stumbled onto the "what's your desk like" thread... and saw that you worked off o just a MacBook Pro... my jaw hit the floor. And I was like "WTF?!?!, how is that possible?" Now I know the real story LOL.
This is my first Mac since I bought a G4 Mini as an easy way to own something with Power architecture (it was always just a toy but even failed at that so got used as a DVD player for a few years - literally!!) New job is nearly all Mac so I figured I stick with the standard, especially as it wasn't my money, I can always trade it in for a Windows machine if I need, everyone else is using one and they must be much better now, right?
The answer is... they are much better now. Way better. Useful, actually. But are they great? Nope. Good enough, sure. Useable. But flaky, slow and hard to use. They require way too much "desktop expertise" for basic tasks. With Windows and Linux you never have to do things like "Google how to rename a file." They have obvious, graphical, on screen clues for things. Mac is "if you aren't a Mac expert, go away." Least inviting OS ever.
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@scottalanmiller we have a big push here to switch over, lead by senior manglement. It's pretty funny to watch them get what they ask for.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The answer is... they are much better now. Way better. Useful, actually. But are they great? Nope. Good enough, sure. Useable. But flaky, slow and hard to use. They require way too much "desktop expertise" for basic tasks. With Windows and Linux you never have to do things like "Google how to rename a file." They have obvious, graphical, on screen clues for things. Mac is "if you aren't a Mac expert, go away." Least inviting OS ever.
Agree. Only I think that even if you are a Mac expert, you're still fundamentally constrained in a lot of usage scenarios and forced to do things more slowly and less efficiently than on Windows. On top of that the interface/OS performance in general is just palpably slower in almost all situations. Some things are pretty, others are nightmarishly ugly ( like the new dock and icon set ), but in the end, none of that matters to me personally as much as the ability to do things as close to instantly as possible, while working for money, at least.
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There's a reason this didn't piss me off to much. I'm using a much much older Lenovo T410 with windows 10 Preview and it is more powerful than this Macbook Pro Rentia which was the latest model. I dropped it on some stairs and the aluminum actually curved to the same of the steps. I didn't drop it from very high, it was hip height out of a laptop back that came unzipped and dropped on concrete stairs.
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Some sucker bid (and paid) $200 or $300 for this broken thing on ebay. Don't remember which but it surely wasn't worth either. I removed the PCIE ssd. The thing was so bent the case would be bad, many ports didn't work anymore since they were surface mount. and the board bent pretty bad so it likely damaged some traces.
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@thecreativeone91 Wow that thing is a yard sale after those stairs
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@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 Wow that thing is a yard sale after those stairs
Yeah they say the aluminum uni-body is suppose to be stronger than plastic laptops. I've found them to be much more malleable than quality built plastic ones. Also every mac laptop I've had has had cooling issues.
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@thecreativeone91 I'd have thought all that Al would conduct the heat pretty well but I suppose it's all in how you set it up. Probably gets too hot to use the body as a sink directly but I bet they could get more creative with heat piping. Having seen their itty bitty mobo's I can see why space for piping might be an issue.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 Wow that thing is a yard sale after those stairs
Yeah they say the aluminum uni-body is suppose to be stronger than plastic laptops. I've found them to be much more malleable than quality built plastic ones. Also every mac laptop I've had has had cooling issues.
The one that I have goes crazy trying to stay cool while just browsing the web!!
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@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 I'd have thought all that Al would conduct the heat pretty well but I suppose it's all in how you set it up. Probably gets too hot to use the body as a sink directly but I bet they could get more creative with heat piping. Having seen their itty bitty mobo's I can see why space for piping might be an issue.
There is a heat pipe. over the cpu and fan (a small one.) but it exhausts to a vent that hits the the bottom of the LCD when open and takes air in from between the keys on the keyboard.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 Wow that thing is a yard sale after those stairs
Yeah they say the aluminum uni-body is suppose to be stronger than plastic laptops. I've found them to be much more malleable than quality built plastic ones. Also every mac laptop I've had has had cooling issues.
Totally agree. One time I had a retina MBP on my bed and got into a tickle fight and it was a low profile box-springless frame, and it fell literally like 3 feet or so, the corner was dented beyond repair and I had to sell it at a huge loss. The unibody looks good, but as far as durability, I've noticed no difference.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 I'd have thought all that Al would conduct the heat pretty well but I suppose it's all in how you set it up. Probably gets too hot to use the body as a sink directly but I bet they could get more creative with heat piping. Having seen their itty bitty mobo's I can see why space for piping might be an issue.
There is a heat pipe. over the cpu and fan (a small one.) but it exhausts to a vent that hits the the bottom of the LCD when open and takes air in from between the keys on the keyboard.
And invites ants to live in there.
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@creayt that seems really crappy to me, we have a huge fleet of plastic fantastic Dell Latitudes and they take HUGE abuse. Drops, spills (of weird chemicals on occasion), bodily fluids.... just the worst possible stuff you can imagine. We do suffer some attrition but it's typically because I refuse to clean it (human hazmat I am not) or someone has one stolen.
