Gmail, How Do You Run New Filters Against Existing Inbox
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I'm sorry but 20k per day is not normal, either for an SMB or for an enterprise. Claiming Google Apps is just a hobby/ home user system on the grounds that it struggles to process over 7 million e-mails per year for a single account is unfair.
Ditto this. 20K emails/day is an insane amount. If you think otherwise, that's not rational.
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@dafyre said:
Ha ha ha.... Like I said... I figured you for an Enterprise guy. 8-)
Used to be. I've done everything from two person businesses up to the Fortune 10.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I'm sorry but 20k per day is not normal, either for an SMB or for an enterprise. Claiming Google Apps is just a hobby/ home user system on the grounds that it struggles to process over 7 million e-mails per year for a single account is unfair.
It's decently normal in IT once you are supporting infrastructure. System alerts are commonly sent by email.
It might sound unfair to ask Google to process 7m emails a year. But is it unfair to ask it to do what Office 365, Internal Exchange, Rackspace email or any business class email does with ease? It sounds like a big number, but in the business world, it is trivial. If you can't process that much, you have no business claiming to be in business.
Now SHOULD people get that much? I have no idea. But I have at company after company for a decade. It's not super common, but it is not uncommon once you get away from a certain category of company. Once you support large scale systems, it is very common.
And consider that there are companies SENDING me this email (from the outside!!!) every day without even noticing.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Ditto this. 20K emails/day is an insane amount. If you think otherwise, that's not rational.
That's a bold statement. How much Fortune 1000 email filtering experience do you have to base your ideas of rational on? How many infrastructure positions, development support positions have you had where you had to receive email from deployment and monitoring systems?
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I delete almost nothing, and I don't think I have much over 20K emails after having my main Gmail account for 8 years!
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Keep in mind, none of this is email I control or I request. It is monitoring email that is often sent to groups to which I am a member.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
I delete almost nothing, and I don't think I have much over 20K emails after having my main Gmail account for 8 years!
And you have never worked in an infrastructure role. So this isn't really relevant experience. My kids don't get much email either. But they aren't infrastructure engineers either.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Keep in mind, none of this is email I control or I request. It is monitoring email that is often sent to groups to which I am a member.
Then you should have setup filters long ago.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Keep in mind, none of this is email I control or I request. It is monitoring email that is often sent to groups to which I am a member.
Then you should have setup filters long ago.
The email started this week, for the most part. Can't filter what you don't know about. Nice to make excuses, but the reality is is that Gmail can't handle what I've gotten down to 14K emails in my inbox. It chokes trying to run filters.
Honestly, it sounds like you'll say anything, including calling people irrational, to defend Google having a poor email system.
Even with filters, I can't clean it up. It is only by archiving everything that I can make it remotely functional. I don't want monitoring data archived, I want it categorized and kept out of my inbox. In case of an outage I need to comb through it. But only at that time. When I'm on my desktop. Gmail keeps me from having the access that I need on my desktop and/or on my phone because the phone can't handle the volume.
If I were you I'd say something like "If you don't agree, your irrational."
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Keep in mind, none of this is email I control or I request. It is monitoring email that is often sent to groups to which I am a member.
Then you should have setup filters long ago.
The email started this week, for the most part. Can't filter what you don't know about. Nice to make excuses, but the reality is is that Gmail can't handle what I've gotten down to 14K emails in my inbox. It chokes trying to run filters.
Honestly, it sounds like you'll say anything, including calling people irrational, to defend Google having a poor email system.
Even with filters, I can't clean it up. It is only by archiving everything that I can make it remotely functional.
If I were you I'd say something like "If you don't agree, your irrational."
Well you never mentioned all this started this week. Even so, if you've got 60K+ in emails, that's a lot to filter through. Also, archiving in Google's terms is different than normal terms, which we've established. So what's the problem?
Oh, and *you're.
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Even if I was not getting this volume, if I was getting the kind of volume that @Minion-Queen gets, it would be a problem. You need filters that actually do something to make your Inbox useful. Gmail, even with filters, does nothing, it just dumps everything you filtered out in the Inbox. So saying you "should have had filters" is mean, since I did, and it didn't help. You are belittling the problem by acting like there is a solution that is good, but so far, no one has even proposed one. It's like you are mocking me for having to get email.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Even if I was not getting this volume, if I was getting the kind of volume that @Minion-Queen gets, it would be a problem. You need filters that actually do something to make your Inbox useful. Gmail, even with filters, does nothing, it just dumps everything you filtered out in the Inbox. So saying you "should have had filters" is mean, since I did, and it didn't help. You are belittling the problem by acting like there is a solution that is good, but so far, no one has even proposed one. It's like you are mocking me for having to get email.
No, filters in Gmail apply a label. The archving that isn't really archiving but just moving to another folder is what makes it much smoother. You can argue all you want that Gmail doesn't use the term right or that it shouldn't be that way, but if it makes it work and you know what it takes, isn't it more nonsensical to keep fighting it because of semantics?
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@thanksajdotcom said:
No, filters in Gmail apply a label.
Exactly, which is Gmail just pretending to be useful. It's a joke, right? Who cares if it is labeled? I can't see my email because all this labeled, useless email is in my Inbox!!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
No, filters in Gmail apply a label.
Exactly, which is Gmail just pretending to be useful. It's a joke, right? Who cares if it is labeled? I can't see my email because all this labeled, useless email is in my Inbox!!
If you open up the label, it will show items with just that label. If you want to MOVE them from the inbox, combine the labeling with the Gmail's archiving option. Problem solved. If you know what fixes it, and you keep arguing that you won't use it because you don't like the term Gmail calls it, that's on you.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
The archving that isn't really archiving but just moving to another folder is what makes it much smoother
Into ONE mailbox..... off somewhere. I don't want it archived, I need it accessible someplace filtered.
I don't even see a folder called archived. Where does that email go?
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I agree that Gmail shouldn't use the term archiving for simply moving it out of the Inbox, but it's you who is hurting yourself for not using it because you don't like the term they use. I understand the irritation at the initial confusion, but now that you've got an understanding, just implement it and move on.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
isn't it more nonsensical to keep fighting it because of semantics?
But Google can't handle archiving. It crashes when I try to do that. I'm archiving everything that I can because it is better to lose the mail than to not be able to find anything useful. But right now that is all Gmail is to me.... a product that is crashing (it crashed Chrome too now!!) and useless.
Yes, better than nothing. That's what I'm doing. But that's where Gmail is, somewhere between nothing and a serious email product.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
If you open up the label, it will show items with just that label. If you want to MOVE them from the inbox, combine the labeling with the Gmail's archiving option. Problem solved. If you know what fixes it, and you keep arguing that you won't use it because you don't like the term Gmail calls it, that's on you.
How do I go into a place that has only the labels for a specific thing? How do I see the archived data?
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@thanksajdotcom said:
I agree that Gmail shouldn't use the term archiving for simply moving it out of the Inbox, but it's you who is hurting yourself for not using it because you don't like the term they use. I understand the irritation at the initial confusion, but now that you've got an understanding, just implement it and move on.
It's not be not using it. I've been saying this for a while. I have 99% of all email set to archive on arrival.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
If you open up the label, it will show items with just that label. If you want to MOVE them from the inbox, combine the labeling with the Gmail's archiving option. Problem solved. If you know what fixes it, and you keep arguing that you won't use it because you don't like the term Gmail calls it, that's on you.
How do I go into a place that has only the labels for a specific thing? How do I see the archived data?
The "labels" will show like folders under your inbox on the left side usually. If it's still in the Inbox and you want to see everything with that label, you click on the folder/label nested under the Inbox. The same process is used for mail that's been archived/moved to that folder/label. Remember, Google refers to anything not in the Inbox as archived. So if it's been moved to a specific folder/label and there is no copy in the Inbox, it's archived and you can view it by going to the folder.
