D-Link Switch Issue
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
I agree with Scott. They are throwaway devices. Get something decent like a Netgear or even an HP Procurve.
Those are better, but important to recognize that they are throwaway devices too once not under warranty. Switches, as a product category, have to be fixed by the vendor. IT people can't fix them.
Agreed. Netgear has a lifetime warranty on their business products, so unless it's not covered under that and no external warranty is held, I agree. Toss it and replace it.
It's important to note that a lifetime warranty is a legal term that refers to the products life time. which is generally considered to be 3-5 years.
I personally stay away from anything with a Netgear logo. I'd have nothing but issues out of their products.
Quite odd. Both @scottalanmiller and I swear by them as a rule.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
I agree with Scott. They are throwaway devices. Get something decent like a Netgear or even an HP Procurve.
Those are better, but important to recognize that they are throwaway devices too once not under warranty. Switches, as a product category, have to be fixed by the vendor. IT people can't fix them.
Agreed. Netgear has a lifetime warranty on their business products, so unless it's not covered under that and no external warranty is held, I agree. Toss it and replace it.
It's important to note that a lifetime warranty is a legal term that refers to the products life time. which is generally considered to be 3-5 years.
I personally stay away from anything with a Netgear logo. I'd have nothing but issues out of their products.
And life the product is as long as it lasts. So even if it's 10-15 years old, it should still technically be covered. But I can't confirm that for 100% as I've never had a piece of equipment that old...
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and would think no one would want to run the same switch for 15 years...
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@thanksajdotcom said:
and would think no one would want to run the same switch for 15 years...
You would be surprised... I pulled an old 10Mb hub out of a ceiling at my last job... turned out it had been up there and running since the original network was installed. We had been trying to diagnose why a section of ethernet was only reading 10Mb and couldn't figure it out until we traced the wire.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
I agree with Scott. They are throwaway devices. Get something decent like a Netgear or even an HP Procurve.
Those are better, but important to recognize that they are throwaway devices too once not under warranty. Switches, as a product category, have to be fixed by the vendor. IT people can't fix them.
Agreed. Netgear has a lifetime warranty on their business products, so unless it's not covered under that and no external warranty is held, I agree. Toss it and replace it.
It's important to note that a lifetime warranty is a legal term that refers to the products life time. which is generally considered to be 3-5 years.
I personally stay away from anything with a Netgear logo. I'd have nothing but issues out of their products.
I have several of the business class Netgear switches in production. They are working great.
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@coliver said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
and would think no one would want to run the same switch for 15 years...
You would be surprised... I pulled an old 10Mb hub out of a ceiling at my last job... turned out it had been up there and running since the original network was installed. We had been trying to diagnose why a section of ethernet was only reading 10Mb and couldn't figure it out until we traced the wire.
Yeah, true. Still, I would hope that with the decreasing cost of technology that this would become less and less common.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
And life the product is as long as it lasts.
No that's not true. The lifetime is a legal term based on expected life of electronics. which is generally interpreted as 3-5 years.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Yeah, true. Still, I would hope that with the decreasing cost of technology that this would become less and less common.
Why replace something that's not broke?
Look at @scottalanmiller computer. Now that he's moved he's probably not using the 7+ year desktop he was, but, he was using a 7+ year old desktop... granted it had a RAM upgrade and an SSD installed, but otherwise did everything he needed it to.
Same goes for switches.
The current HP Procurve switches in my environment where installed when I started full time here back in Sept 2007, 7.5 years ago. The same goes for my wireless controller and APs.
FYI, these are all on the request to get replaced list for better performance, etc.
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@Dashrender said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
Yeah, true. Still, I would hope that with the decreasing cost of technology that this would become less and less common.
Why replace something that's not broke?
Look at @scottalanmiller computer. Now that he's moved he's probably not using the 7+ year desktop he was, but, he was using a 7+ year old desktop... granted it had a RAM upgrade and an SSD installed, but otherwise did everything he needed it to.
Same goes for switches.
The current HP Procurve switches in my environment where installed when I started full time here back in Sept 2007, 7.5 years ago. The same goes for my wireless controller and APs.
FYI, these are all on the request to get replaced list for better performance, etc.
No I agree. If it's sufficient for your needs and works well, there is no need to replace it. However, a good hardware refresh cycle is a good thing to have. Workstations every maybe 3 or usually 5 years, and I'm not sure what would be considered best practice for networking equipment. It's not that you HAVE to, but making sure you have equipment that hasn't EOL'ed, etc, is good.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
And life the product is as long as it lasts. So even if it's 10-15 years old, it should still technically be covered. But I can't confirm that for 100% as I've never had a piece of equipment that old...
Pretty sure that they don't define it that way.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
and would think no one would want to run the same switch for 15 years...
Lots of people want to. Not IT people, but people.
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@coliver said:
I have several of the business class Netgear switches in production. They are working great.
That's pretty much all that we buy. Sure, they fail more often than say a Cisco or Juniper. But I can replace each ten times for the cost of one Cisco and the Netgear is easier to manage and faster performing for that price. And they don't fail ten times during a switch lifespan, they fail far less than once. We've had one fail, I think, but even that I'm not sure about. Most are still kicking long past their usable lifespans.
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@Dashrender said:
Look at @scottalanmiller computer. Now that he's moved he's probably not using the 7+ year desktop he was, but, he was using a 7+ year old desktop... granted it had a RAM upgrade and an SSD installed, but otherwise did everything he needed it to.
It was literally the last thing that I broke down and stuffed in the closet before leaving Texas. Six hours before I moved to Spain I was still on that desktop and when I return to Texas that desktop will be what I used this summer (I'm there for several weeks.) It's getting close to ready to retire, but with us traveling it will get an extra six months or so that it would not have gotten
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A switch purchased at the beginning of a technology cycle, like GigE over a decade ago, might still be great today. A 10GigE switch today might easily last ten years. But if you buy one halfway through a cycle they will deprecate much faster. That is a big factor.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
and would think no one would want to run the same switch for 15 years...
Lots of people want to. Not IT people, but people.
Yeah, I was implying IT people, but you're right.
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@scottalanmiller said:
A switch purchased at the beginning of a technology cycle, like GigE over a decade ago, might still be great today. A 10GigE switch today might easily last ten years. But if you buy one halfway through a cycle they will deprecate much faster. That is a big factor.
Agreed. You don't have to buy brand new, but it's like why would you buy a switch that's FastEthernet nowadays?
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
A switch purchased at the beginning of a technology cycle, like GigE over a decade ago, might still be great today. A 10GigE switch today might easily last ten years. But if you buy one halfway through a cycle they will deprecate much faster. That is a big factor.
Agreed. You don't have to buy brand new, but it's like why would you buy a switch that's FastEthernet nowadays?
Many business only put in CAT5 not Cat5e so gigabit is a waste of money if you can get the same product cheap, since you'll likely want to hard limit the switch to prevent issues anyway.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
A switch purchased at the beginning of a technology cycle, like GigE over a decade ago, might still be great today. A 10GigE switch today might easily last ten years. But if you buy one halfway through a cycle they will deprecate much faster. That is a big factor.
Agreed. You don't have to buy brand new, but it's like why would you buy a switch that's FastEthernet nowadays?
Many business only put in CAT5 not Cat5e so gigabit is a waste of money if you can get the same product cheap, since you'll likely want to hard limit the switch to prevent issues anyway.
Hmmm, that's sad...didn't even know you could buy Cat5 anymore and not at least Cat5e. I'm sure it's available somewhere but why anyone would willingly buy it, I have no idea...
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
A switch purchased at the beginning of a technology cycle, like GigE over a decade ago, might still be great today. A 10GigE switch today might easily last ten years. But if you buy one halfway through a cycle they will deprecate much faster. That is a big factor.
Agreed. You don't have to buy brand new, but it's like why would you buy a switch that's FastEthernet nowadays?
Many business only put in CAT5 not Cat5e so gigabit is a waste of money if you can get the same product cheap, since you'll likely want to hard limit the switch to prevent issues anyway.
Hmmm, that's sad...didn't even know you could buy Cat5 anymore and not at least Cat5e. I'm sure it's available somewhere but why anyone would willingly buy it, I have no idea...
That's what was there when many had installed networking. It's generally not economically feasible to upgrade cabling like that.
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You can buy anything. Cat3 is still pretty popular.
