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    • matteo nunziatiM
      matteo nunziati @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller wow I'll be in my town till this evening. Then I will leave for my brother wedding

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        matteo nunziati @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller btw be proud: you've met the hottest summer of the history here! 😄

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          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

          @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

          @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

          Stromboli is American and i barely ever see it in the US and have never seen it outside of it. It is similar to a calzone.

          Or Italian-American, or Italian immigrants.

          We call those people Americans normally 😉

          I don't consider myself Swedish regardless of my citizenship.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @matteo nunziati
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            @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

            @scottalanmiller wow I'll be in my town till this evening. Then I will leave for my brother wedding

            When are you back? My niece decided to run out to Pisa and Manarola last night. So I was gone all evening.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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              @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

              @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

              @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

              @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

              Stromboli is American and i barely ever see it in the US and have never seen it outside of it. It is similar to a calzone.

              Or Italian-American, or Italian immigrants.

              We call those people Americans normally 😉

              I don't consider myself Swedish regardless of my citizenship.

              What do you consider yourself, if neither Swedish nor American?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @matteo nunziati
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                @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                @scottalanmiller btw be proud: you've met the hottest summer of the history here! 😄

                Oh I know. It's been really tough as travelers, because we are just backpacking this time around. So we have been in Naples without any AC, for example. And are about to be staying in Paris without AC. And here in Tuscany the AC is just one room where we don't sleep (well, we are sleeping there now, I am sleeping on the dining room floor to stay cool!)

                I think that this is ruining my nieces' impression of Europe. Things that should be fun and pleasant are horrible.

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                • matteo nunziatiM
                  matteo nunziati @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller well I'll be back on sunday evening.

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                  • matteo nunziatiM
                    matteo nunziati @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                    @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                    @scottalanmiller btw be proud: you've met the hottest summer of the history here! 😄

                    Oh I know. It's been really tough as travelers, because we are just backpacking this time around. So we have been in Naples without any AC, for example. And are about to be staying in Paris without AC. And here in Tuscany the AC is just one room where we don't sleep (well, we are sleeping there now, I am sleeping on the dining room floor to stay cool!)

                    I think that this is ruining my nieces' impression of Europe. Things that should be fun and pleasant are horrible.

                    Well no AC is quite tough. I've AC in all of my bedrooms. Basically impossible to sleep without.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @matteo nunziati
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                      @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                      @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                      @scottalanmiller btw be proud: you've met the hottest summer of the history here! 😄

                      Oh I know. It's been really tough as travelers, because we are just backpacking this time around. So we have been in Naples without any AC, for example. And are about to be staying in Paris without AC. And here in Tuscany the AC is just one room where we don't sleep (well, we are sleeping there now, I am sleeping on the dining room floor to stay cool!)

                      I think that this is ruining my nieces' impression of Europe. Things that should be fun and pleasant are horrible.

                      Well no AC is quite tough. I've AC in all of my bedrooms. Basically impossible to sleep without.

                      No AC in the bedroom here 😞 QUite impossible to sleep.

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                      • ObsolesceO
                        Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                        @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                        @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                        Stromboli is American and i barely ever see it in the US and have never seen it outside of it. It is similar to a calzone.

                        Or Italian-American, or Italian immigrants.

                        We call those people Americans normally 😉

                        I don't consider myself Swedish regardless of my citizenship.

                        What do you consider yourself, if neither Swedish nor American?

                        American because that's where I was born and raised, no matter where I would emigrate to.

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @matteo nunziati
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                          @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                          @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                          @scottalanmiller btw be proud: you've met the hottest summer of the history here! 😄

                          Oh I know. It's been really tough as travelers, because we are just backpacking this time around. So we have been in Naples without any AC, for example. And are about to be staying in Paris without AC. And here in Tuscany the AC is just one room where we don't sleep (well, we are sleeping there now, I am sleeping on the dining room floor to stay cool!)

                          I think that this is ruining my nieces' impression of Europe. Things that should be fun and pleasant are horrible.

                          Well no AC is quite tough. I've AC in all of my bedrooms. Basically impossible to sleep without.

                          I'm sure you could get used to not having it. I mean, people have lived there thousands of years without it before and I'm sure they managed to sleep, lol. Still, like you, I'd rather stay used to the AC.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                            @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                            @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                            @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                            Stromboli is American and i barely ever see it in the US and have never seen it outside of it. It is similar to a calzone.

                            Or Italian-American, or Italian immigrants.

                            We call those people Americans normally 😉

                            I don't consider myself Swedish regardless of my citizenship.

                            What do you consider yourself, if neither Swedish nor American?

                            American because that's where I was born and raised, no matter where I would emigrate to.

                            So the same as the Americans who made Stromboli. Thats where they were birn and raised.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                              @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                              @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                              @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                              @scottalanmiller btw be proud: you've met the hottest summer of the history here! 😄

                              Oh I know. It's been really tough as travelers, because we are just backpacking this time around. So we have been in Naples without any AC, for example. And are about to be staying in Paris without AC. And here in Tuscany the AC is just one room where we don't sleep (well, we are sleeping there now, I am sleeping on the dining room floor to stay cool!)

                              I think that this is ruining my nieces' impression of Europe. Things that should be fun and pleasant are horrible.

                              Well no AC is quite tough. I've AC in all of my bedrooms. Basically impossible to sleep without.

                              I'm sure you could get used to not having it. I mean, people have lived there thousands of years without it before and I'm sure they managed to sleep, lol. Still, like you, I'd rather stay used to the AC.

                              Could, maybe. But there wasnt this heat even 20 years ago in these places. So these people have not done it. And there wasnt such a densenpopulation using up the water and blocking the wind. So not really the same.

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                              • matteo nunziatiM
                                matteo nunziati @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                @matteo-nunziati said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                @scottalanmiller btw be proud: you've met the hottest summer of the history here! 😄

                                Oh I know. It's been really tough as travelers, because we are just backpacking this time around. So we have been in Naples without any AC, for example. And are about to be staying in Paris without AC. And here in Tuscany the AC is just one room where we don't sleep (well, we are sleeping there now, I am sleeping on the dining room floor to stay cool!)

                                I think that this is ruining my nieces' impression of Europe. Things that should be fun and pleasant are horrible.

                                Well no AC is quite tough. I've AC in all of my bedrooms. Basically impossible to sleep without.

                                I'm sure you could get used to not having it. I mean, people have lived there thousands of years without it before and I'm sure they managed to sleep, lol. Still, like you, I'd rather stay used to the AC.

                                Could, maybe. But there wasnt this heat even 20 years ago in these places. So these people have not done it. And there wasnt such a densenpopulation using up the water and blocking the wind. So not really the same.

                                Yeah I remember my summers 20 years ago and it was way more pleasant. Nowdays this is more of an african summer rather than an italian one. And population growth doesn't help!
                                I clearly remember that max temps of 35C where seldom events. Usually you stayed around 30-32C max

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                                  Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                  Stromboli is American and i barely ever see it in the US and have never seen it outside of it. It is similar to a calzone.

                                  Or Italian-American, or Italian immigrants.

                                  We call those people Americans normally 😉

                                  I don't consider myself Swedish regardless of my citizenship.

                                  What do you consider yourself, if neither Swedish nor American?

                                  American because that's where I was born and raised, no matter where I would emigrate to.

                                  So the same as the Americans who made Stromboli. Thats where they were birn and raised.

                                  Oh they were? Who was it?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                    @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                    Stromboli is American and i barely ever see it in the US and have never seen it outside of it. It is similar to a calzone.

                                    Or Italian-American, or Italian immigrants.

                                    We call those people Americans normally 😉

                                    I don't consider myself Swedish regardless of my citizenship.

                                    What do you consider yourself, if neither Swedish nor American?

                                    American because that's where I was born and raised, no matter where I would emigrate to.

                                    So the same as the Americans who made Stromboli. Thats where they were birn and raised.

                                    Oh they were? Who was it?

                                    Stromboli, if you look it up, was invested in America. Not by Italians, but my Americans. Americans assumed to be of Italian decent, but that's the same as saying "American." Stomboli is simply an American food no matter how you slice or dice it. American invented, in America, by Americans. Other than the Americans being of Italian heritage, why are you assuming anything else? It's from Philadelphia. Not even an Italian region of the US.

                                    It has no ties to Italy other than being an American modification of the calzone, which is Italian itself. But 99% of pizza in the US is influenced from pizza in the US at this point, not directly from pizza in Europe. We are many generations past that point.

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                                      Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                      @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                      @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                      @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                      @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                      Stromboli is American and i barely ever see it in the US and have never seen it outside of it. It is similar to a calzone.

                                      Or Italian-American, or Italian immigrants.

                                      We call those people Americans normally 😉

                                      I don't consider myself Swedish regardless of my citizenship.

                                      What do you consider yourself, if neither Swedish nor American?

                                      American because that's where I was born and raised, no matter where I would emigrate to.

                                      So the same as the Americans who made Stromboli. Thats where they were birn and raised.

                                      Oh they were? Who was it?

                                      Stromboli, if you look it up, was invested in America. Not by Italians, but my Americans. Americans assumed to be of Italian decent, but that's the same as saying "American." Stomboli is simply an American food no matter how you slice or dice it. American invented, in America, by Americans. Other than the Americans being of Italian heritage, why are you assuming anything else? It's from Philadelphia. Not even an Italian region of the US.

                                      It has no ties to Italy other than being an American modification of the calzone, which is Italian itself. But 99% of pizza in the US is influenced from pizza in the US at this point, not directly from pizza in Europe. We are many generations past that point.

                                      I get the point, but when I looked it up, it specifically said "Italian immigrant". That's what I based my point off of. If that's not the case, then I completely agree.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                        @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                        Stromboli is American and i barely ever see it in the US and have never seen it outside of it. It is similar to a calzone.

                                        Or Italian-American, or Italian immigrants.

                                        We call those people Americans normally 😉

                                        I don't consider myself Swedish regardless of my citizenship.

                                        What do you consider yourself, if neither Swedish nor American?

                                        American because that's where I was born and raised, no matter where I would emigrate to.

                                        So the same as the Americans who made Stromboli. Thats where they were birn and raised.

                                        Oh they were? Who was it?

                                        Stromboli, if you look it up, was invested in America. Not by Italians, but my Americans. Americans assumed to be of Italian decent, but that's the same as saying "American." Stomboli is simply an American food no matter how you slice or dice it. American invented, in America, by Americans. Other than the Americans being of Italian heritage, why are you assuming anything else? It's from Philadelphia. Not even an Italian region of the US.

                                        It has no ties to Italy other than being an American modification of the calzone, which is Italian itself. But 99% of pizza in the US is influenced from pizza in the US at this point, not directly from pizza in Europe. We are many generations past that point.

                                        I get the point, but when I looked it up, it specifically said "Italian immigrant". That's what I based my point off of. If that's not the case, then I completely agree.

                                        Italian immigrant is used to refer to people for many generations. My wife and kids are considered Italian immigrants in many cases, but have been here for several generations. But in their case, are also still legally Italians, so that muddies the point.

                                        Basically everyone in the US is considered an immigrant (obviously, there are exceptions.) It's how many generations of immigrant are you.

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrant_generations

                                        Immigrant doesn't imply that they started in a different country. Only that they have an identifiable background from another country. My family still heavily identifies on the Swiss side as immigrants, but are on ten generations. But since we are still almost pure Swiss and can identify the ship we immigrated on and the immigration paperwork, we aren't natives in any way. My wife has copies of the immigration paperwork from her family, for example, as well.

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                                          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                          talian immigrant is used to refer to people for many generations. My wife and kids are considered Italian immigrants in many cases, but have been here for several generations. But in their case, are also still legally Italians, so that muddies the point.

                                          I'm just going by the normal meaning man... no need to read in to it and make up context.

                                          If someone says to me: "That guy over there is an Italian immigrant", I'm going to base my understanding of that off of the regular normal meaning and definition that he is from Italy and not born in the US. I will have no reason to believe he was born here and that his family has been here for x generations.

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                                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                            @Obsolesce said in Follow along with Scott, Emily, Madeline, & Dominica on the Grand Tour of Europe 2:

                                            I'm just going by the normal meaning man... no need to read in to it and make up context.
                                            If someone says to me: "That guy over there is an Italian immigrant", I'm going to base my understanding of that off of the regular normal meaning and definition that he is from Italy and not born in the US. I will have no reason to believe he was born here and that his family has been here for x generations.

                                            That's not what a LOT of people mean. Mirriam Webster even has that a first generation immigrant doesn't imply that someone is born outside of the US. And normal people use immigrant NORMALLY to mean children of immigrants. All the time.

                                            If someone in the US told you someone was an Italian immigrant, it would be reckless to assume that they meant that they were born in Italy. The average person that would be called that, would have been born in the US.

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