Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@scottalanmiller said
However, what you describe isn't exactly how Veeam works. Also, Veeam is a company, not a product, there are multiple free products from them. And they all work a bit differently.
https://www.veeam.com/veeam_agent_windows_3_0_user_guide_pg.pdf
"Veeam Agent for Microsoft Windows re-builds the full backup file to include in it data of the
incremental backup file that follows the full backup file. To do this, Veeam Agent for Microsoft
Windows injects into the full backup file data blocks from the earliest incremental backup file
in the chain. This way, a full backup ‘moves’ forward in the backup chain"Yes, Veeam Agent for Windows does NOT support tape.
https://helpcenter.veeam.com/docs/agentforwindows/userguide/backup_job_target.html?ver=30
Veeam Agent is intended to be used as an agent backing up to a Veeam server. The Veeam server handles the tape. Here you are stuck with something much more complex because you are using only part of the Veeam system, they added some extra bits to make a free option, but the free option might cost you a fortune in hardware.
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
At the end of the retention period, it injects the oldest increment in to the original full backup... is that not possible with tape?
Definitely not possible with tape. But that's just one of the many assumptions that need to be changed. Someone did your backup planning based on false assumptions. You need to back up and decide on goals and make all decisions based on those goals.
However, what you describe isn't exactly how Veeam works. Also, Veeam is a company, not a product, there are multiple free products from them. And they all work a bit differently.
https://www.veeam.com/windows-endpoint-server-backup-free.html
That one.
Good thing that I asked, this is a case where me being pedantic really did result in the answer no one would expect. "The free version of Veeam" means this one to almost all people: https://www.veeam.com/virtual-machine-backup-solution-free.html
Does the version you put here allow scheduling with the free version, and unlimited VMs?
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Veeam Agent for Microsoft Windows re-builds the full backup file to include in it data of the
incremental backup file that follows the full backup file.that's the incremental. you don't take an incremental with tape.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Does the version you put here allow scheduling with the free version, and unlimited VMs?
No, they are unrelated products. You get two VMs only. But it is the product that people refer to as "Veeam", and the key features that people claim to be why they choose Veeam are only in that version.
I like the product that you are choosing just fine, just pointing out that when you say "Veeam", to 99% of people it means a very different product than the one you are using. Veeam has become an industry standard meaning "agentless", even though they make agent based products like the Agent for Windows.
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Veeam Agent for Microsoft Windows re-builds the full backup file to include in it data of the
incremental backup file that follows the full backup file.that's the incremental. you don't take an incremental with tape.
Does the version you posted support tape, and does that allow unlimited VMs and scheduling?
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Veeam Agent for Microsoft Windows re-builds the full backup file to include in it data of the
incremental backup file that follows the full backup file.that's the incremental. you don't take an incremental with tape.
Does the version you posted support tape, and does that allow unlimited VMs and scheduling?
Yup, supports tape and it would be the standard way to do it. It's also the back end that makes the Agent powerful and able to do "anything." It's expected that you buy the two together.
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Does the version you put here allow scheduling with the free version, and unlimited VMs?
No, they are unrelated products. You get two VMs only. But it is the product that people refer to as "Veeam", and the key features that people claim to be why they choose Veeam are only in that version.
I like the product that you are choosing just fine, just pointing out that when you say "Veeam", to 99% of people it means a very different product than the one you are using. Veeam has become an industry standard meaning "agentless", even though they make agent based products like the Agent for Windows.
This makes sense. I cannot currently use this product though if it only allows two VMs.
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Working only with the free version is going to be crazy limiting here. Why is there so much data being stored, but no budget to back it up?
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
This makes sense. I cannot currently use this product though if it only allows two VMs.
Sounds like Veeam isn't a viable option for you, it doesn't allow for your budgetary needs.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Does the version you put here allow scheduling with the free version, and unlimited VMs?
No, they are unrelated products. You get two VMs only. But it is the product that people refer to as "Veeam", and the key features that people claim to be why they choose Veeam are only in that version.
I like the product that you are choosing just fine, just pointing out that when you say "Veeam", to 99% of people it means a very different product than the one you are using. Veeam has become an industry standard meaning "agentless", even though they make agent based products like the Agent for Windows.
This makes sense. I cannot currently use this product though if it only allows two VMs.
Oh, they raised the limit to 10. That's very new.
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
This makes sense. I cannot currently use this product though if it only allows two VMs.
Sounds like Veeam isn't a viable option for you, it doesn't allow for your budgetary needs.
Currently. We will be using Veeam next year. But this year we have to use up to the 15k to get backups in place until then, and the Free Agent/Windows edition works well from where I have seen it used before.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
the Free Agent/Windows edition works well from where I have seen it used before.
Yes, but makes you spend a fortune in hardware to meet the need. So the "Free" version looks like it will cost you $11,000 or so.
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So all this time you are talking about your backup storage, but not the backup server. But it turns out you are trying to stream from individual machines directly to the backup storage. This throws yet another kink in the works. Normally you talk about a backup server (like the Veeam server) that handles the backups, then this server would be what that sends to. Basically the backup server does the work, and a storage device does the storage.
But you aren't planning on having a backup server. This is a problem. This is why tapes won't work. Because you don't have the server to run the tape device. So this gets messy quickly.
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How are you determining the amount of storage that will be needed?
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
How are you determining the amount of storage that will be needed?
I've been given the target by another team, so that is out of my hands. The rest of the company use B&R, but they do not plan on introducing this to UK side until 2019 (sometime in 2020). So we have been told to use up to 15k to get ourselves backed up until then using the Veeam Agent Free Edition, then in 2020 we will be incorporated. Out of my hands, but is what it is.
Makes sense with what you say about the backup server and the storage behind that server/attached to the backup server. But thats not where we are here until 2020.
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
How are you determining the amount of storage that will be needed?
No idea, out of my remit here.
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Remember, this is the place where everything is running on blades too! Lol, and not backed up at all.
So, I just need something for 15k or less that will get me to 2020.
From previous use I know that the Veeam Agent Free edition can be installed on a VM, pointed to a NAS/SMB share with credentials over a network, set to email upon failure, success or error, and set with a schedule. Expensive, sure. But it gets me backed up until 2020.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
So we have been told to use up to 15k to get ourselves backed up until then using the Veeam Agent Free Edition, then in 2020 we will be incorporated. Out of my hands, but is what it is.
Holy crap these people can just burn money for fun. This waste is insane!
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I hope that they pay really well, because they are mocking you with the money to just throw away for no reason.
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
I hope that they pay really well, because they are mocking you with the money to just throw away for no reason.
Lol, its ok.
