Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Politics is more about how can I make $$$$ today. Four years from now a new guy could be elected, so I need to do what is best for TODAY. Politicians generally dont think even 4 years out, they certainly dont think 10 or 20 years out. Because in 10 or 20 years nobody will remember what kind of corrupt law they passed 10 years ago and they will never get any blame. Then you have the new politician just repeating the cycle and doing the same shit.
that's completely irrelevant
How is that irrelevant?
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@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Exactly - Sure, those people managing the economy aren't stupid - instead they are super corrupt! Only looking out for themselves.
Some are corrupt, some are doing a great job under shitty conditions. Simple fact - in 2008 Israel remained untouched by the crisis, the economy remained strong, unlike pretty much everywhere else. So some people there are doing a good job and certainly know what they are doing. Is the economy or the politics there generally healthy? Hell no.
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@coliver said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@pmoncho said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Spending money for the sake of spending money and creating fake jobs because of it, is just smoke and mirrors. No real world problem is solved. It's ok though because we can just print more money. Economic Stimulus is nice and all, but it is really just a temp solution. You cant keep throwing out money to solve issues that dont exists. This is the kind of stuff that builds up over time and creates issues. You need to find a real solution of the long term that provides value.
Nothing fake about creating jobs there. I have friends who worked for those fleet management companies, and the food they put on the table was real enough.
Well, there is a decent book about BS jobs on Amazon.
Worth a read if you haven't. It's very good.
It sure is.
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@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
How is that irrelevant?
Because I never said politics are about making $$. I said the politics in a specific country are such, that there is a huge expense that needs to be constantly sustained, which prevents lowering taxes.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Exactly - Sure, those people managing the economy aren't stupid - instead they are super corrupt! Only looking out for themselves.
Some are corrupt, some are doing a great job under shitty conditions. Simple fact - in 2008 Israel remained untouched by the crisis, the economy remained strong, unlike pretty much everywhere else. So some people there are doing a good job and certainly know what they are doing. Is the economy or the politics there generally healthy? Hell no.
I don't think that's a good thing - it shows that they aren't really participating in the rest of the world.. even more corruption.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
How is that irrelevant?
Because I never said politics are about making $$.
They 100% are about making money LOL
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
How is that irrelevant?
Because I never said politics are about making $$. I said the politics in a specific country are such, that there is a huge expense that needs to be constantly sustained, which prevents lowering taxes.
That's what we are saying - no that expense does not need to be maintained. Only by their corruption does it need to be maintained.
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@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
I don't think that's a good thing - it shows that they aren't really participating in the rest of the world.. even more corruption.
LOL what isn't corruption with you? A country doing well is corrupt. A country falling apart is corrupt. What isn't?
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
I don't think that's a good thing - it shows that they aren't really participating in the rest of the world.. even more corruption.
LOL what isn't corruption with you? A country doing well is corrupt. A country falling apart is corrupt. What isn't?
That's their point.... all Governments are corrupt almost by definition.
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@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
That's what we are saying - no that expense does not need to be maintained. Only by their corruption does it need to be maintained.
What is corrupt, and it's not even corruption, it's simple abuse, is the representative democratic system with low entry percentages. It's the purest kind of democracy, and it is the easiest to abuse, given enough time. Once the abuse works, you cannot get rid of it without changing the system, but the change needs to be legislative, and the legislative authority is part of the abuse. There is no corruption as such, no bribery, just an interessant group in the government forcing everyone else's hand.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
I don't think that's a good thing - it shows that they aren't really participating in the rest of the world.. even more corruption.
LOL what isn't corruption with you? A country doing well is corrupt. A country falling apart is corrupt. What isn't?
Human Government is always corrupt which is why I am for less government in most situations. There is no 100% right answer since government regulation is needed for certain areas, but we have seen every government fall to corruption throughout history. Sometimes it takes years, decades, centuries, or whatever but entropy always seem to exist. In some cases, government can be re-established, but at that point it dies and is recreated. Entropy seems to be true 99.9% of the time when it comes to government.
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@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Human Government is always corrupt which is why I am for less government in most situations. There is no 100% right answer since government regulation is needed for certain areas, but we have seen every government fall to corruption throughout history. Sometimes it takes years, decades, centuries, or whatever but entropy always seem to exist. In some cases, government can be re-established, but at that point it dies and is recreated. Entropy seems to be true 99.9% of the time when it comes to government.
How very anarchistic of you, comrade
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@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
I don't think that's a good thing - it shows that they aren't really participating in the rest of the world.. even more corruption.
LOL what isn't corruption with you? A country doing well is corrupt. A country falling apart is corrupt. What isn't?
Human Government is always corrupt which is why I am for less government in most situations. There is no 100% right answer since government regulation is needed for certain areas, but we have seen every government fall to corruption throughout history. Sometimes it takes years, decades, centuries, or whatever but entropy always seem to exist. In some cases, government can be re-established, but at that point it dies and is recreated. Entropy seems to be true 99.9% of the time when it comes to government.
If you look at the US, corruption has remained pretty steady (it was insanely corrupt at foundation), but bloat has gotten way worse.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
That's what we are saying - no that expense does not need to be maintained. Only by their corruption does it need to be maintained.
What is corrupt, and it's not even corruption, it's simple abuse, is the representative democratic system with low entry percentages. It's the purest kind of democracy, and it is the easiest to abuse, given enough time. Once the abuse works, you cannot get rid of it without changing the system, but the change needs to be legislative, and the legislative authority is part of the abuse. There is no corruption as such, no bribery, just an interessant group in the government forcing everyone else's hand.
Taking bribes and funneling money into your pockets instead of governing for the people with a mandate, that's corruption. It's stealing.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
I don't think that's a good thing - it shows that they aren't really participating in the rest of the world.. even more corruption.
LOL what isn't corruption with you? A country doing well is corrupt. A country falling apart is corrupt. What isn't?
There is a LOT of corruption out there. But people are pressured to ignore it by their governments. "Good" corruption makes you feel like it isn't corrupt. Tons of Americans don't care that the healthcare system is handled through bribery, extortion, and crimes against humanity... because good marketing has befuddled them. Same, apparently, with the old "make companies by cars from my cousin" system that must have been going on. Governments tend towards corruption, people tend towards complacency. Give people an excuse to ignore corruption, and they will do it. People are lazy, and always looking for how things benefit them.
It's why I'm a monarchist. Without nobles oblige, I see no hope.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Human Government is always corrupt which is why I am for less government in most situations. There is no 100% right answer since government regulation is needed for certain areas, but we have seen every government fall to corruption throughout history. Sometimes it takes years, decades, centuries, or whatever but entropy always seem to exist. In some cases, government can be re-established, but at that point it dies and is recreated. Entropy seems to be true 99.9% of the time when it comes to government.
How very anarchistic of you, comrade
Vive la revolucion?What I said was 100% true and has proven itself throughout history. I also said there is no 100% right answer as regulation is provided.
Not sure how you got anarchist out of that as regulation would be impossible in an anarchy. I would also argue that anarchy will NEVER be a form of government. At most, anarchy could last a week tops before a group took power and formed a new government.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
High taxes don't really solve any of those problems, but can make a lot of them worse. High taxes put a bigger burden on the economy making it less competitive and makes labour more expensive.
Well, the people managing that economy aren't stupid, I'm sure they are doing what they can, in the given conditions. Still, it's nowhere near the conditions the US or any EU country is in. I'd change the political system, to eliminate the abuse first, move to a two party system, instead of the current coalition based insanity, which is so easy to abuse
Not stupid, just not managing the economy for the good of the populace. They are smart and clearly getting personally paid off to throw the economy under the bus.
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@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
High taxes don't really solve any of those problems, but can make a lot of them worse. High taxes put a bigger burden on the economy making it less competitive and makes labour more expensive.
Well, the people managing that economy aren't stupid, I'm sure they are doing what they can, in the given conditions. Still, it's nowhere near the conditions the US or any EU country is in. I'd change the political system, to eliminate the abuse first, move to a two party system, instead of the current coalition based insanity, which is so easy to abuse
Politics is more about how can I make $$$$ today. Four years from now a new guy could be elected, so I need to do what is best for TODAY. Politicians generally dont think even 4 years out, they certainly dont think 10 or 20 years out. Because in 10 or 20 years nobody will remember what kind of corrupt law they passed 10 years ago and they will never get any blame. Then you have the new politician just repeating the cycle and doing the same shit.
This is why democracies will always be corrupt, the drive to teh status quo is impossible to stop.
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@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
High taxes don't really solve any of those problems, but can make a lot of them worse. High taxes put a bigger burden on the economy making it less competitive and makes labour more expensive.
Well, the people managing that economy aren't stupid, I'm sure they are doing what they can, in the given conditions. Still, it's nowhere near the conditions the US or any EU country is in. I'd change the political system, to eliminate the abuse first, move to a two party system, instead of the current coalition based insanity, which is so easy to abuse
Scott would start by declaring himself dictator.
I did that long ago, you plebes just don't listen.
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@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
High taxes don't really solve any of those problems, but can make a lot of them worse. High taxes put a bigger burden on the economy making it less competitive and makes labour more expensive.
Well, the people managing that economy aren't stupid, I'm sure they are doing what they can, in the given conditions. Still, it's nowhere near the conditions the US or any EU country is in. I'd change the political system, to eliminate the abuse first, move to a two party system, instead of the current coalition based insanity, which is so easy to abuse
Politics is more about how can I make $$$$ today. Four years from now a new guy could be elected, so I need to do what is best for TODAY. Politicians generally dont think even 4 years out, they certainly dont think 10 or 20 years out. Because in 10 or 20 years nobody will remember what kind of corrupt law they passed 10 years ago and they will never get any blame. Then you have the new politician just repeating the cycle and doing the same shit.
This is why democracies will always be corrupt, the drive to teh status quo is impossible to stop.
Humans are corrupt and we have seen this throughout history. Every once in awhile you find a sole hero out there, but even that person is subject to corruption very, very easily.
