I have to change cloud drive service yet again
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@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Now if the OS had the ability for tags to be created automatically based on say the words in a document, then you might start down a better path. But let's say that your data was images. This cannot be done outside of things like neural networks, and even then only to a point.
Not sure you need to leave this to the OS - but I get your point. And just look at google photos - it does a pretty awesome job or knowing what a bird vs a dog is.
As for auto tagging - some apps can and do have that - I have no personal experience, I just know that some can do it.
But regarding making a user 'tag correctly' well they aren't tagging or naming correctly today. Creating a list for them to choose from, plus allowing them to make their own hopefully only makes things better for them, I can't see how it would be worse than what they have today.
I'm not saying it would be worse, I'm saying you can't fundamentally make it better via programming.
I guess I disagree with that - it's better via programming because it can auto fill some tags based on rules you setup. How is that not better? It might not be perfect, but I assume it must be better, even if only by the tiniest bit. Again at absolutely worse - it would be the same.
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@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Now if the OS had the ability for tags to be created automatically based on say the words in a document, then you might start down a better path. But let's say that your data was images. This cannot be done outside of things like neural networks, and even then only to a point.
Not sure you need to leave this to the OS - but I get your point. And just look at google photos - it does a pretty awesome job or knowing what a bird vs a dog is.
As for auto tagging - some apps can and do have that - I have no personal experience, I just know that some can do it.
But regarding making a user 'tag correctly' well they aren't tagging or naming correctly today. Creating a list for them to choose from, plus allowing them to make their own hopefully only makes things better for them, I can't see how it would be worse than what they have today.
I'm not saying it would be worse, I'm saying you can't fundamentally make it better via programming.
I guess I disagree with that - it's better via programming because it can auto fill some tags based on rules you setup. How is that not better? It might not be perfect, but I assume it must be better, even if only by the tiniest bit. Again at absolutely worse - it would be the same.
That's why I used the word fundamental. It wouldn't be an innovation, just an improvement of existing tools or methods, and those existing tools and methods are still subject to human error and indifference.
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@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Now if the OS had the ability for tags to be created automatically based on say the words in a document, then you might start down a better path. But let's say that your data was images. This cannot be done outside of things like neural networks, and even then only to a point.
Not sure you need to leave this to the OS - but I get your point. And just look at google photos - it does a pretty awesome job or knowing what a bird vs a dog is.
As for auto tagging - some apps can and do have that - I have no personal experience, I just know that some can do it.
But regarding making a user 'tag correctly' well they aren't tagging or naming correctly today. Creating a list for them to choose from, plus allowing them to make their own hopefully only makes things better for them, I can't see how it would be worse than what they have today.
I'm not saying it would be worse, I'm saying you can't fundamentally make it better via programming.
I guess I disagree with that - it's better via programming because it can auto fill some tags based on rules you setup. How is that not better? It might not be perfect, but I assume it must be better, even if only by the tiniest bit. Again at absolutely worse - it would be the same.
That's why I used the word fundamental. It wouldn't be an innovation, just an improvement of existing tools or methods, and those existing tools and methods are still subject to human error and indifference.
But they would get rid of the problems you're currently experiencing. Time to modernize and just deal with pain - you tell your boss.
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Do we know why his users are constantly moving files?
I'm of the mind to just never move files.
Open file, edit file, close the file. No problems.
Just don't move the file. Who doesn't understand that this would cause many problems? -
@jmoore said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Do we know why his users are constantly moving files?
No
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@jmoore said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Do we know why his users are constantly moving files?
I'm of the mind to just never move files.
Open file, edit file, close the file. No problems.
Just don't move the file. Who doesn't understand that this would cause many problems?Yeah I don't get it either
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@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@jmoore said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Do we know why his users are constantly moving files?
I'm of the mind to just never move files.
Open file, edit file, close the file. No problems.
Just don't move the file. Who doesn't understand that this would cause many problems?Yeah I don't get it either
Well - it would be awesome to get away from folders altogether, and only use tags.. so much more useful, though painful to add to every time you create a document.
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@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@jmoore said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Do we know why his users are constantly moving files?
I'm of the mind to just never move files.
Open file, edit file, close the file. No problems.
Just don't move the file. Who doesn't understand that this would cause many problems?Yeah I don't get it either
Well - it would be awesome to get away from folders altogether, and only use tags.. so much more useful, though painful to add to every time you create a document.
Not really, no more painful than selecting a folder every time you create a document, which you already have to do. In fact, technically, folders ARE a tag, just a really crappy and limited one. But under the hood, it's a really crufty single tag system in most filesystems. Hard links could be thought of as an insanely cumbersome additional tag system.
Tags only improve things. All positives, no negatives.
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@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@jmoore said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Do we know why his users are constantly moving files?
I'm of the mind to just never move files.
Open file, edit file, close the file. No problems.
Just don't move the file. Who doesn't understand that this would cause many problems?Yeah I don't get it either
Well - it would be awesome to get away from folders altogether, and only use tags.. so much more useful, though painful to add to every time you create a document.
Not really, no more painful than selecting a folder every time you create a document, which you already have to do. In fact, technically, folders ARE a tag, just a really crappy and limited one. But under the hood, it's a really crufty single tag system in most filesystems. Hard links could be thought of as an insanely cumbersome additional tag system.
Tags only improve things. All positives, no negatives.
I'll disagree in so much as a folder system is likely already created and a user is just using it. Sure the same could be said for many tags - but tags don't lend themselves to easy discovery like folders do. It's a human aspect, not a computer one...
I definitely agree that the folders are a single tag like solution - but when you have a single folder with 10K files in it, it's mind numbing to look at - a way that many people function... I know they need to change, and over time most will, but the interim will be painful.
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@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@jmoore said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Do we know why his users are constantly moving files?
I'm of the mind to just never move files.
Open file, edit file, close the file. No problems.
Just don't move the file. Who doesn't understand that this would cause many problems?Yeah I don't get it either
Well - it would be awesome to get away from folders altogether, and only use tags.. so much more useful, though painful to add to every time you create a document.
Not really, no more painful than selecting a folder every time you create a document, which you already have to do. In fact, technically, folders ARE a tag, just a really crappy and limited one. But under the hood, it's a really crufty single tag system in most filesystems. Hard links could be thought of as an insanely cumbersome additional tag system.
Tags only improve things. All positives, no negatives.
I'll disagree in so much as a folder system is likely already created and a user is just using it. Sure the same could be said for many tags - but tags don't lend themselves to easy discovery like folders do. It's a human aspect, not a computer one...
They do, and folders prove that as folders in most filesystems are just tags. If it is easy to do with a folder, it's just as easy to do with a tag. But better, as there are more options to make it even easier.
That people "already know how to do something" doesn't make it easier, nor does that mean that that system couldn't be used as a tagging mechanism.
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@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I definitely agree that the folders are a single tag like solution - but when you have a single folder with 10K files in it, it's mind numbing to look at - a way that many people function... I know they need to change, and over time most will, but the interim will be painful.
Right, so don't use folders, use tags! THere is no interim "dumping ground" solution.
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@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I definitely agree that the folders are a single tag like solution - but when you have a single folder with 10K files in it, it's mind numbing to look at - a way that many people function... I know they need to change, and over time most will, but the interim will be painful.
Right, so don't use folders, use tags! THere is no interim "dumping ground" solution.
The interim is the time of people whining that they have to type in tags because folders has been disallowed.
Question - Does windows allow the use of Tags? I know MS Office can - though I have no clue how those tags integrate into the Windows Search features.
But something like notepad - can you tag those txt files?
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I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
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@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I definitely agree that the folders are a single tag like solution - but when you have a single folder with 10K files in it, it's mind numbing to look at - a way that many people function... I know they need to change, and over time most will, but the interim will be painful.
Right, so don't use folders, use tags! THere is no interim "dumping ground" solution.
The interim is the time of people whining that they have to type in tags because folders has been disallowed.
Question - Does windows allow the use of Tags? I know MS Office can - though I have no clue how those tags integrate into the Windows Search features.
But something like notepad - can you tag those txt files?
Windows doesn't stop it. But it doesn't support it, either. Windows does provide full tagging in the form of Sharepoint. That's Microsoft's tagging storage feature.
If you explicitely use Windows' non-tagged storage mechanism, then there are no tags.
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@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
NC supports tags and works on Windows, yes. Microsoft Sharepoint does this as well (this is where NC copied it from.)
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@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
You add tags on files. Right-click on the file and select properties. Select the Details tab. There you will see a Tags under Description.
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@black3dynamite said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
You add tags on files. Right-click on the file and select properties. Select the Detail tab. There you will see a Tags under Description.
What? No way, when was that added? Freaking sweet.
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Of interest... TagSpaces
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/tag-youre-manage-files-linux-tagspaces/
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@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@black3dynamite said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
You add tags on files. Right-click on the file and select properties. Select the Detail tab. There you will see a Tags under Description.
What? No way, when was that added? Freaking sweet.
I have no idea.
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Using tags in Windows.
https://www.maketecheasier.com/tag-files-in-windows/
