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    • coliverC
      coliver @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

      @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

      https://alcoholtreatment.niaaa.nih.gov/

      So they treat alcohol itself? Like, by adding water? Or just talking to it? I get the impression from that site that the NIH isn't even sure what alcohol is.

      It's a very poor wording but the context clues show it is to treat alcoholism (or something like it) rather then alcohol itself.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @coliver
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        @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

        @scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

        @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

        https://alcoholtreatment.niaaa.nih.gov/

        So they treat alcohol itself? Like, by adding water? Or just talking to it? I get the impression from that site that the NIH isn't even sure what alcohol is.

        It's a very poor wording but the context clues show it is to treat alcoholism (or something like it) rather then alcohol itself.

        The "context" being, confused doctors who don't know English?

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          marcinozga
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          If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

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          • coliverC
            coliver @marcinozga
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            @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

            If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

            There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

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              marcinozga @coliver
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              @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

              @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

              If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

              There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

              https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&biw=1920&bih=984&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=MsRTWvCJMdC1ggfch7-ACg&q=fetal+alcohol+syndrome&oq=fetal+alcohol&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0l2j0i67k1j0j0i67k1l4j0l2.16357.19589.0.21082.12.5.0.7.7.0.179.823.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.12.1074....0.GSte26QRlI0

              Recent research vs thousands of kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. See the pictures, I'll take no alcohol any day vs kid looking like that.

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce @coliver
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                @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                I wouldn't want my child's liver busy cleaning out Alcohol in any capacity during development, let alone while in the womb.

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                • coliverC
                  coliver @marcinozga
                  last edited by

                  @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                  @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                  @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                  If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                  There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                  https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&biw=1920&bih=984&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=MsRTWvCJMdC1ggfch7-ACg&q=fetal+alcohol+syndrome&oq=fetal+alcohol&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0l2j0i67k1j0j0i67k1l4j0l2.16357.19589.0.21082.12.5.0.7.7.0.179.823.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.12.1074....0.GSte26QRlI0

                  Recent research vs thousands of kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. See the pictures, I'll take no alcohol any day vs kid looking like that.

                  Fetal Alcohol syndrome comes from extremely heavy drinking. An occasional glass of wine hasn't been shown to have the same effect. That being said, my wife didn't drink when she was pregnant either.

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                    marcinozga @coliver
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                    @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                    @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                    @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                    @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                    If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                    There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&biw=1920&bih=984&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=MsRTWvCJMdC1ggfch7-ACg&q=fetal+alcohol+syndrome&oq=fetal+alcohol&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0l2j0i67k1j0j0i67k1l4j0l2.16357.19589.0.21082.12.5.0.7.7.0.179.823.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.12.1074....0.GSte26QRlI0

                    Recent research vs thousands of kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. See the pictures, I'll take no alcohol any day vs kid looking like that.

                    Fetal Alcohol syndrome comes from extremely heavy drinking. An occasional glass of wine hasn't been shown to have the same effect. That being said, my wife didn't drink when she was pregnant either.

                    Would you and your wife be willing to take the risk?

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver @Obsolesce
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                      @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                      @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                      @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                      If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                      There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                      I wouldn't want my child's liver busy cleaning out Alcohol in any capacity during development, let alone while in the womb.

                      It doesn't, the mothers body removes alcohol long before it reaches the fetus or the placenta.

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                      • coliverC
                        coliver @marcinozga
                        last edited by

                        @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                        @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                        @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                        @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                        @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                        If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                        There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                        https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&biw=1920&bih=984&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=MsRTWvCJMdC1ggfch7-ACg&q=fetal+alcohol+syndrome&oq=fetal+alcohol&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0l2j0i67k1j0j0i67k1l4j0l2.16357.19589.0.21082.12.5.0.7.7.0.179.823.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.12.1074....0.GSte26QRlI0

                        Recent research vs thousands of kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. See the pictures, I'll take no alcohol any day vs kid looking like that.

                        Fetal Alcohol syndrome comes from extremely heavy drinking. An occasional glass of wine hasn't been shown to have the same effect. That being said, my wife didn't drink when she was pregnant either.

                        Would you and your wife be willing to take the risk?

                        I answered your question already. I'm waiting for more research until we decide. But using, it's bad for fetuses, as a means to vilify alcohol didn't make a lot of sense when the science is still out.

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @coliver
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                          @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                          @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                          @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                          @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                          If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                          There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                          I wouldn't want my child's liver busy cleaning out Alcohol in any capacity during development, let alone while in the womb.

                          It doesn't, the mothers body removes alcohol long before it reaches the fetus or the placenta.

                          Alcohol is in the blood, hence the term BAC. The fetus gets it's blood from the mother (that contains alcohol)... so how is it removed first?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                            last edited by

                            @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                            @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                            @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                            If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                            There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                            I wouldn't want my child's liver busy cleaning out Alcohol in any capacity during development, let alone while in the womb.

                            Our doctor recommended it for child health.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @marcinozga
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                              @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                              If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                              What do you mean she can't drink any? I've only heard doctors recommend it to pregnant women, never tell them to avoid it. I've known a lot of people whose doctors told them that they should consider drinking while pregnant as stress is the bigger danger during pregnancy. We were just talking a few days ago about how our doctors were always telling my wife to have red wine while pregnant.

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                                marcinozga @coliver
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                                @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                                There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                                I wouldn't want my child's liver busy cleaning out Alcohol in any capacity during development, let alone while in the womb.

                                It doesn't, the mothers body removes alcohol long before it reaches the fetus or the placenta.

                                Do you have the source for this? Because once alcohol enters mother's bloodstream, it's free to enter placenta, and into fetus bloodstream.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @marcinozga
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                                  @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                  @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                  @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                  @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                  @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                  If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                                  There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                                  I wouldn't want my child's liver busy cleaning out Alcohol in any capacity during development, let alone while in the womb.

                                  It doesn't, the mothers body removes alcohol long before it reaches the fetus or the placenta.

                                  Do you have the source for this? Because once alcohol enters mother's bloodstream, it's free to enter placenta, and into fetus bloodstream.

                                  It can't be zero, because a fetus removed alcohol from the blood through the placental wall.

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                    @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                    If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                                    What do you mean she can't drink any? I've only heard doctors recommend it to pregnant women, never tell them to avoid it. I've known a lot of people whose doctors told them that they should consider drinking while pregnant as stress is the bigger danger during pregnancy. We were just talking a few days ago about how our doctors were always telling my wife to have red wine while pregnant.

                                    It's the amount that matters.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                                      last edited by

                                      @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                      @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                      @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                      @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                      @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                      If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                                      There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                                      I wouldn't want my child's liver busy cleaning out Alcohol in any capacity during development, let alone while in the womb.

                                      It doesn't, the mothers body removes alcohol long before it reaches the fetus or the placenta.

                                      Alcohol is in the blood, hence the term BAC. The fetus gets it's blood from the mother (that contains alcohol)... so how is it removed first?

                                      Actually, the fetus has its own blood. Mother and child do not share blood.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                                        last edited by

                                        @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                        @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                        If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                                        What do you mean she can't drink any? I've only heard doctors recommend it to pregnant women, never tell them to avoid it. I've known a lot of people whose doctors told them that they should consider drinking while pregnant as stress is the bigger danger during pregnancy. We were just talking a few days ago about how our doctors were always telling my wife to have red wine while pregnant.

                                        It's the amount that matters.

                                        Exactly, they never recommended more than "a glass or two of wine". But the certainly didn't say that she couldn't have any. She has assumed that she could not drink and they told her that that was a myth.

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                                        • ObsolesceO
                                          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by Obsolesce

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                          @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                          @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                          @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                          @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                          @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                          If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                                          There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                                          I wouldn't want my child's liver busy cleaning out Alcohol in any capacity during development, let alone while in the womb.

                                          It doesn't, the mothers body removes alcohol long before it reaches the fetus or the placenta.

                                          Alcohol is in the blood, hence the term BAC. The fetus gets it's blood from the mother (that contains alcohol)... so how is it removed first?

                                          Actually, the fetus has its own blood. Mother and child do not share blood.

                                          What effect does alcohol have on a fetus?

                                          A woman who drinks alcohol while she is pregnant may harm her developing baby (fetus). Alcohol can pass from the mother's blood into the baby's blood. It can damage and affect the growth of the baby's cells. Brain and spinal cord cells are most likely to have damage.
                                          https://www.webmd.com/baby/tc/alcohol-effects-on-a-fetus-topic-overview#1

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @marcinozga
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                                            @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                            @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                            @tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                            @coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                            @marcinozga said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:

                                            If alcohol is so healthy, how come my pregnant wife cannot drink any? Right, it kills cells, all kinds.

                                            There had actually been some recent research that says moderate consumption while pregnant has little to no effect on the fetus.

                                            I wouldn't want my child's liver busy cleaning out Alcohol in any capacity during development, let alone while in the womb.

                                            It doesn't, the mothers body removes alcohol long before it reaches the fetus or the placenta.

                                            Do you have the source for this? Because once alcohol enters mother's bloodstream, it's free to enter placenta, and into fetus bloodstream.

                                            This is what actually happens... mouth > mother's blood > diffuses to fetus' blood > returns to mother's blood.

                                            But I think that the diffusion rate is very, very low as it naturally goes the other direction.

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