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      scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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      @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

      btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?

      I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.

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        scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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        @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

        @scottalanmiller How is this different from you "promoting" scale ?

        And DRBD, and Starwind, and Hyper-V, and HPE Simplivity....

        Notice a trend? I promote all kinds of good, and competing products, and point out one that specifically is a problem in that field. One that is well known to be less performant, higher cost, under financial strain, and hides its problems by silencing critics.

        I hope that that clarifies just how different these things are.

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          FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

          @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

          @scottalanmiller How is this different from you "promoting" scale ?

          And DRBD, and Starwind, and Hyper-V, and HPE Simplivity....

          Notice a trend? I promote all kinds of good, and competing products, and point out one that specifically is a problem in that field. One that is well known to be less performant, higher cost, under financial strain, and hides its problems by silencing critics.

          I hope that that clarifies just how different these things are.

          Was just asking a question!

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            FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

            @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

            btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?

            I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.

            Appliances have o/s's?

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              JaredBusch @FATeknollogee
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              @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

              @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

              @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

              btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?

              I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.

              Appliances have o/s's?

              Of course they do, but as an appliance, it is not something you ever touch more than to perform a "firmware upgrade" or "software upgrade" from within the appliances GUI.

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                scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?

                I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.

                Appliances have o/s's?

                But they are black boxes, what the OS is isn't of concern to the end user, nor is it normally exposed. To do so tends to break the appliance nature of it. Nutanix is an appliance, but also not an appliance, so it is more of a pre-built non-appliance, whereas Scale has no non-appliance nature and is totally an appliance both as hardware and as concept.

                I'm sure they would list somewhere what they are using, but as it is custom kernel, storage layer, KVM, and filesystem, it's not all that meaningful because it is very little like whatever starting point they use.

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                  scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                  @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                  @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                  @scottalanmiller How is this different from you "promoting" scale ?

                  And DRBD, and Starwind, and Hyper-V, and HPE Simplivity....

                  Notice a trend? I promote all kinds of good, and competing products, and point out one that specifically is a problem in that field. One that is well known to be less performant, higher cost, under financial strain, and hides its problems by silencing critics.

                  I hope that that clarifies just how different these things are.

                  Was just asking a question!

                  I was just answering 🙂

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                    FATeknollogee @JaredBusch
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                    @jaredbusch said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                    @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                    @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                    btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?

                    I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.

                    Appliances have o/s's?

                    Of course they do, but as an appliance, it is not something you ever touch more than to perform a "firmware upgrade" or "software upgrade" from within the appliances GUI.

                    This came up since (a few threads before) we were talking about oVirt using CentOS instead of Fedora.

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                      scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                      @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                      @jaredbusch said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                      @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                      @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                      btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?

                      I'm not sure it is either. It's an appliance, I don't think that they list it anywhere.

                      Appliances have o/s's?

                      Of course they do, but as an appliance, it is not something you ever touch more than to perform a "firmware upgrade" or "software upgrade" from within the appliances GUI.

                      This came up since (a few threads before) we were talking about oVirt using CentOS instead of Fedora.

                      Understood, but the two are extremely different scenarios. He's trying to explain why. If the question was about Starwind's console on KVM, that would be applicable as a direct comparison because both are non-appliances.

                      Scale's console runs on the latest version of ScaleOS (I made that up.) But their OS is their own, it might be based on something else (I'm certain it is, would be silly not to be) but it isn't part of a larger ecosystem, it's the very latest of its technology.

                      oVirt is very different.

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                        scottalanmiller
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                        Appliances are weird animals. With CentOS and Fedora, they are basically the same thing. One is just the current version of the other. Not exactly, but basically.

                        With appliances, the latest version is... the latest version. Appliances don't have alternate versions in the same way.

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                          scottalanmiller
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                          Doing a video on understanding how appliances need to be thought of differently than regular servers has long been on my to do list.

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                            FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                            Doing a video on understanding how appliances need to be thought of differently than regular servers has long been on my to do list.

                            What are you waiting for...go get it done! (btw, what happened to the emoji button?)

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                              scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                              @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                              Doing a video on understanding how appliances need to be thought of differently than regular servers has long been on my to do list.

                              (btw, what happened to the emoji button?)

                              Emoji died a while ago. Eventually I removed the button since it wasn't working.

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                                scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                                @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                Doing a video on understanding how appliances need to be thought of differently than regular servers has long been on my to do list.

                                What are you waiting for...go get it done!

                                I added it to today's list. So hopefully that means you'll see it in about a week. I've got about fifteen in the queue being processed right now.

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                                  FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                  @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                  Doing a video on understanding how appliances need to be thought of differently than regular servers has long been on my to do list.

                                  What are you waiting for...go get it done!

                                  I added it to today's list. So hopefully that means you'll see it in about a week. I've got about fifteen in the queue being processed right now.

                                  👍

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                                    scale @FATeknollogee
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                                    @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                    btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?

                                    Our distribution is officially SCEL, Scale Computing Enterprise Linux.

                                    We start from CentOS 7, but obviously the changes are pretty significant. So it's only a reference starting point, it's not a CentOS system any longer.

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                                      Obsolesce @scale
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                                      @scale said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                      @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                      btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?
                                      

                                      Our distribution is officially SCEL, Scale Computing Enterprise Linux.

                                      We start from CentOS 7, but obviously the changes are pretty significant. So it's only a reference starting point, it's not a CentOS system any longer.

                                      Ah, so basically a fork from CentOS 7 then.

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                                        scale @Obsolesce
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                                        @tim_g said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                        @scale said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                        @fateknollogee said in Best practice partition & LVM for KVM:

                                        btw, does @scale use Fedora or CentOS for their appliances?
                                        

                                        Our distribution is officially SCEL, Scale Computing Enterprise Linux.

                                        We start from CentOS 7, but obviously the changes are pretty significant. So it's only a reference starting point, it's not a CentOS system any longer.

                                        Ah, so basically a fork from CentOS 7 then.

                                        Basically, yes. It starts from there.

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