Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM
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huh - water cooling at the server level.
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@scottalanmiller said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
This is enormous news. This, more than anything, signals the end of the road for Xen. A very sad day.
That is huge... how did I miss this the past few days?
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Same OVH that went down today, because they lost power and none of their generators (if they had any) powered on?...
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btw, isn't the Google Cloud Platform based entirely on KVM?
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@dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
huh - water cooling at the server level.
Yeah, a lot of datacenters use liquid cooling of some sort. It generally saves money on cooling, so is an easy choice to make for companies that run their own datacenters. Obviously not at all popular with colo places as it generally requires special cooling blocks on the servers.
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@travisdh1 said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
@dashrender said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
huh - water cooling at the server level.
Yeah, a lot of datacenters use liquid cooling of some sort. It generally saves money on cooling, so is an easy choice to make for companies that run their own datacenters. Obviously not at all popular with colo places as it generally requires special cooling blocks on the servers.
I totally get water cooling of the space, I've just never seen it actually go inside each server before - I mean I think it makes sense, at least on the surface.
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As others, i dont know how i missed this.
As one of the few remaining XS guys i suppose i need to start looking for other options now. -
@momurda said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
As others, i dont know how i missed this.
As one of the few remaining XS guys i suppose i need to start looking for other options now.I think they posted it today, and changed the post date in the database ^_^
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@momurda said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
As others, i dont know how i missed this.
As one of the few remaining XS guys i suppose i need to start looking for other options now.I'd say XS is still a decent product if it does everything you need. They've just been hobbling it more and more over the years, it's hard to like a product that keeps taking basic functionality away.
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@travisdh1 said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
@momurda said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
As others, i dont know how i missed this.
As one of the few remaining XS guys i suppose i need to start looking for other options now.I'd say XS is still a decent product if it does everything you need. They've just been hobbling it more and more over the years, it's hard to like a product that keeps taking basic functionality away.
I have had ZERO issues with it since it was suggested to me.
I have to say I started setting up Hyper-V yesterday, and what a PITA compared to XS/XC/XO.
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@brrabill said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
@travisdh1 said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
@momurda said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
As others, i dont know how i missed this.
As one of the few remaining XS guys i suppose i need to start looking for other options now.I'd say XS is still a decent product if it does everything you need. They've just been hobbling it more and more over the years, it's hard to like a product that keeps taking basic functionality away.
I have had ZERO issues with it since it was suggested to me.
I have to say I started setting up Hyper-V yesterday, and what a PITA compared to XS/XC/XO.
Yeah. Being an old-time UNIX person I went with KVM. Stick with what you know best when all else is equal, and Hyper-V/KVM are quite close feature wise.
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@travisdh1 said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
Yeah. Being an old-time UNIX person I went with KVM. Stick with what you know best when all else is equal, and Hyper-V/KVM are quite close feature wise.
Being a Linux noob, is what is pushing me to Hyper-V.
Though none of my test machines will install it since 2016 requires SLAT. Again, what a pain.
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Besides keeping up with hypervisors in generally. My preferred go to are Hyper-V and KVM. My main annoyances with XenServer is them still using EXT3 and VHD.
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@black3dynamite said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
Besides keeping up with hypervisors in generally. My preferred go to are Hyper-V and KVM. My main annoyances with XenServer is them still using EXT3 and VHD.
The complaints about XenServer are endless. Xen is good, XS, not so much any longer.
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@brrabill said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
@travisdh1 said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
Yeah. Being an old-time UNIX person I went with KVM. Stick with what you know best when all else is equal, and Hyper-V/KVM are quite close feature wise.
Being a Linux noob, is what is pushing me to Hyper-V.
Though none of my test machines will install it since 2016 requires SLAT. Again, what a pain.
golf clap Good man.
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@travisdh1 said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
@brrabill said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
@travisdh1 said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
Yeah. Being an old-time UNIX person I went with KVM. Stick with what you know best when all else is equal, and Hyper-V/KVM are quite close feature wise.
Being a Linux noob, is what is pushing me to Hyper-V.
Though none of my test machines will install it since 2016 requires SLAT. Again, what a pain.
golf clap Good man.
I was tempted to go KVM. But TBH I think the world of support is so much larger for Hyper-V.
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@brrabill said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
I was tempted to go KVM. But TBH I think the world of support is so much larger for Hyper-V.
I don't think that this makes sense. Here is why...
- We know from the Windows/Linux world that this logic doesn't work in IT in general.
- This implies that Hyper-V needs more support, not that it is better for customers.
- The size of support is a worthless indicator to customers, why does this give an impression of importance?
- Better products generally make more sense than products that need lots of support.
- The KVM product support ecosystem seems to heavily outscale the Hyper-V one.
Basically, as logic goes, I think this is at best misplaced, and at worst, backwards.
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It's really more back to the basics of not knowing enough Linux.
XS was definitely easy. If you didn't mess with it (our newly coined phrase "the first rule of XS") it was plug and play.
But I'm not sure KVM is going to be like that.
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@brrabill said in Amazon AWS Leaving Xen for KVM:
It's really more back to the basics of not knowing enough Linux.
XS was definitely easy. If you didn't mess with it (our newly coined phrase "the first rule of XS") it was plug and play.
But I'm not sure KVM is going to be like that.
That's totally different than what was said. By that logic, you'd avoid Hyper-V as you have zero experience with it. You at least have some Linux experience, but zero Hyper-V and Hyper-V is not Windows.
Also, just as Linux is easier than Windows to learn, KVM is easier than Hyper-V. Hyper-V's claim to fame being that it isn't straightforward or simple for a lot of people.
KVM is actualy super simple with some basic, included tools (on Fedora, of course.)
