Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia
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@scottalanmiller @dafyre The extent of my experience with vi thus far is just simple things like copying and editing eth config files to make bridges on CentOS7/KVM hosts.
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@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller @dafyre The extent of my experience with vi thus far is just simple things like copying and editing eth config files to make bridges on CentOS7/KVM hosts.
In six figure developer shops, it seems to be the most common tool that I see. It's universally available, universally known, rock solid, really fast and easy once learned, doesn't put all this annoying crap in your face to make things hard, works everywhere unlike fat apps which often don't, and just works... that's the biggest thing. Doesn't require all kinds of special considerations and management to get the basics done.
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@scottalanmiller said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@dafyre said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller Ah okay, understandable. I can still use CodeAnywhere, no biggy.
Right. Or just SSH into a Linux VM, that's what @QuixoticJeremy and I do.
I can and have done development with vi and/or nano for more than one or two files... I severely dislike this. Setups like Codiad or CodeAnywhere are much more to my liking.
We tried other tools, keep coming back to vi. It's just so fast and easy.
For small things, sure, but needing to switch between files constantly? I could see using tmux or screen for that.
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@dafyre said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@dafyre said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller Ah okay, understandable. I can still use CodeAnywhere, no biggy.
Right. Or just SSH into a Linux VM, that's what @QuixoticJeremy and I do.
I can and have done development with vi and/or nano for more than one or two files... I severely dislike this. Setups like Codiad or CodeAnywhere are much more to my liking.
We tried other tools, keep coming back to vi. It's just so fast and easy.
For small things, sure, but needing to switch between files constantly? I could see using tmux or screen for that.
That's why we have things like screen or tabbed terminals
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@scottalanmiller Nice, I'll definitely have to dedicate some more time to getting it down.
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@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller Nice, I'll definitely have to dedicate some more time to getting it down.
It's got a tough up front learning curve, but there are huge reasons that you want to use it for UNIX administration, and decent ones to consider it for development.
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@scottalanmiller I'm sure the payoff is well worth it though.
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@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller I'm sure the payoff is well worth it though.
Yes, especially as it is used in so many places. It's the editor I use most. No matter where I am or what I am doing, it's the one thing that is always there.
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I'm really liking the E7270 so far... highly portable 12.5-inch and runs F26 and KVM like a champ.
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@tim_g said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
I'm really liking the E7270 so far... highly portable 12.5-inch and runs F26 and KVM like a champ.
My tiny Dell with Fedora 26 is awesome, too. but I still prefer the Chromebook when I can use it.
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@tim_g Nice I'll take a look at that as well
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@scottalanmiller @Tim_G while we're on the topic of portables and Linux distros, do either of you have an opinion on Mint vs Korora? I'm thinking I'll like the xfce desktop, but what have you found to be enjoyable and perform well?
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@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller @Tim_G while we're on the topic of portables and Linux distros, do either of you have an opinion on Mint vs Korora? I'm thinking I'll like the xfce desktop, but what have you found to be enjoyable and perform well?
Both are good. Mint is based on outdated LTS Ubuntu. Korora can't keep up with Fedora. I've used both and have moved to Fedora itself and found it better than either. I used Mint's Cinnamon on Fedora, it's great.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah it seems like Fedora is just on a roll lately and continues to pick up from momentum on the desktop and server side from everything I'm reading.
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@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller Yeah it seems like Fedora is just on a roll lately and continues to pick up from momentum on the desktop and server side from everything I'm reading.
A lot of it is just that the market has matured and Fedora is in the right spot right now. LTS releases like CentOS really don't make sense like they used to (CentOS is built off of Fedora anyway). And the need for downstream tweaks like Mint and Korora don't make sense like they used to. Korora is just Fedora with some tweaks. So Fedora hits the sweet spot, along with Ubuntu Current and Suse Tumbeweed.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah if I understand it correctly, RHEL/CentOS releases are just a packaged stable version that solely differ on whether or not you have support from RH?
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@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller Yeah if I understand it correctly, RHEL/CentOS releases are just a packaged stable version that solely differ on whether or not you have support from RH?
That's correct. Both are made by RH, both are created from the same files, both work and do everything identically, just one has support (and branding) and one does not.
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@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@scottalanmiller @Tim_G while we're on the topic of portables and Linux distros, do either of you have an opinion on Mint vs Korora? I'm thinking I'll like the xfce desktop, but what have you found to be enjoyable and perform well?
I left Korora behind and stick to Fedora Workstation (for my pc/laptop).
I'd not use XFCE, use KDE instead. KDE only uses only ever so slightly more RAM for apps, but the difference is that these apps have more features you'll use. XFCE is basic, ugly, minimally functional, including the built in apps... which can be good if you're starved for resources on an ancient device.
But go KDE instead... you'll be glad.
Cinnamon is nice too. My top two favorite are KDE and Gnome. Cinnamon is great for learning a distro.
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@tim_g Awesome thank you
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@r3dpand4 said in Chromebooks and Mild Paranoia:
@tim_g Awesome thank you
Just a side note, if you do go with Gnome (regular Fedora Workstation), install the
dnf install gnome-tweak-toolIt gives you some easy to use settings access.
