Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
Exactly. People get higher and higher degrees while looking for work marking them as the best candidates for "will get trapped easily." It also means that they are likely to be "rule followers" so more easily controlled. If you aren't looking for the best skills, but rather candidates that are scared to leave, and more likely to accept abuse and bad working environments, high degrees for entry level work is actually one of the best ways to do that. Only works for entry level where high tech skills are not needed. Bench can do it way more easily than IT can, for example. Nursing does it a lot. But it is a standard pattern that employers know about - it's an easy way to get people that feel like they "can't leave" and lack the experience to know their rights.
Also this increases the value of skilled laborers in our country. Something like welding probably pays quite a bit right now.
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@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
Exactly. People get higher and higher degrees while looking for work marking them as the best candidates for "will get trapped easily." It also means that they are likely to be "rule followers" so more easily controlled. If you aren't looking for the best skills, but rather candidates that are scared to leave, and more likely to accept abuse and bad working environments, high degrees for entry level work is actually one of the best ways to do that. Only works for entry level where high tech skills are not needed. Bench can do it way more easily than IT can, for example. Nursing does it a lot. But it is a standard pattern that employers know about - it's an easy way to get people that feel like they "can't leave" and lack the experience to know their rights.
Also this increases the value of skilled laborers in our country. Something like welding probably pays quite a bit right now.
Does it? In what way? Welders always make good money.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
Exactly. People get higher and higher degrees while looking for work marking them as the best candidates for "will get trapped easily." It also means that they are likely to be "rule followers" so more easily controlled. If you aren't looking for the best skills, but rather candidates that are scared to leave, and more likely to accept abuse and bad working environments, high degrees for entry level work is actually one of the best ways to do that. Only works for entry level where high tech skills are not needed. Bench can do it way more easily than IT can, for example. Nursing does it a lot. But it is a standard pattern that employers know about - it's an easy way to get people that feel like they "can't leave" and lack the experience to know their rights.
Also this increases the value of skilled laborers in our country. Something like welding probably pays quite a bit right now.
Does it? In what way? Welders always make good money.
More people going for high level degrees means less people becoming skilled laborers. Supply + Demand
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@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
Exactly. People get higher and higher degrees while looking for work marking them as the best candidates for "will get trapped easily." It also means that they are likely to be "rule followers" so more easily controlled. If you aren't looking for the best skills, but rather candidates that are scared to leave, and more likely to accept abuse and bad working environments, high degrees for entry level work is actually one of the best ways to do that. Only works for entry level where high tech skills are not needed. Bench can do it way more easily than IT can, for example. Nursing does it a lot. But it is a standard pattern that employers know about - it's an easy way to get people that feel like they "can't leave" and lack the experience to know their rights.
Also this increases the value of skilled laborers in our country. Something like welding probably pays quite a bit right now.
Does it? In what way? Welders always make good money.
More people going for high level degrees means less people becoming skilled laborers. Supply + Demand
Oh, well not really. It's the same pool of people. It doesn't change how many bench workers that there are total. It just changes how hard it is to get into bench work.
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In nursing, it didn't increase the numbers of nurses. Nor make the market better. What it did was move the cost of becoming a nurse up and made nursing a less profitable field.
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@scottalanmiller Washington state has done this with teaching. You need a Master's degree to teach kindergarten or elementary school.
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@momurda said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller Washington state has done this with teaching. You need a Master's degree to teach kindergarten or elementary school.
NY has been like that since I was a little kid.
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Pretty much everyone knows that a graduate degree isn't needed to teach little kids. But what they never stop to realize is that they took teachers, one of the largest job categories, and took an average of 1.5 - 2 years off of the career span of everyone in the field without increasing salaries. So entry level, day one teachers are older, more in debt, but have no more per-year earning potential than before, but have a bit less time to earn their retirement before getting old and wanting to retire. This makes it seem like more jobs are created, when in fact, it's just that you've reduced the pool of available workers by a few percentages.
