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    Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @NashBrydges
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      @NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

      @Minion-Queen Always had my equipment shipped so that if they billed me tarifs, I could go back to the shipper for a refund.

      Americans can't do that. Only works on your side.

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      • NashBrydgesN
        NashBrydges @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

        @Minion-Queen said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

        @NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

        @scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

        @NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

        Other than the exchange rate (which right now is a killer), I found that often, suppliers in the US don't know that shipping servers or parts to Canada is supposed to be customs exempt (no additional duties other than the HST tax). That's bit me more than once.

        Well, YOU say that it is exempt. But Canada doesn't agree with you. I can tell you that they demand customs at the border and saying that it is not required isn't really something that you get to decide at that time. They might tell citizens that it is exempt, but they are lying to you.

        No, actually, the tarif is 0 (at least to Ontario it is). Encourage you to have a read...

        https://www.dutycalculator.com/dc/185674026/computers-office/laptops-pcs-tablets/servers/import-duty-rate-for-importing-dell-r710-server-from-united-states-to-canada-is-0/

        http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2013/01-99/01-99-t2013-eng.pdf

        Look for section 8471.41

        When paperwork properly completed (and this is where the failure happens most often - no lying needed), I've purchased goods from the US on dozens of occasions with zero tarif. Only paid HST.

        I have tried that more than once. With all the proper paperwork. And still had to pay tariff fees. We used to use a Colocation facility up there and had to do stuff more than once.

        It was a regular problem and causes a LOT of cost that makes American colocation cheaper, even when the Canadian ones are so close.

        I don't doubt that it's a huge misunderstood process that fails more often than not. If I were in your shoes I'd probably have done the same. Hell...that's the reason why I try to buy in Canada first.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @NashBrydges
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          @NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

          Anything else = someone didn't take the time to properly do paperwork or shipper is too lazy and won't bother looking it up. Lol

          We did our own shipping, it doesn't work like you think. Americans can't just argue with customs officials.

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          • NashBrydgesN
            NashBrydges @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

            @NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

            @Minion-Queen Always had my equipment shipped so that if they billed me tarifs, I could go back to the shipper for a refund.

            Americans can't do that. Only works on your side.

            That may be true. Sucks.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              Maybe the point is that Canadian customs are corrupt and pocketing the money, that's fine. But it doesn't change how the system works. You can't do a lot of things in a lot of countries without those kinds of problems. Just a cost that has to be factored in.

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller

                I think that's a good base hardware design for a backup/DR build, in the SMB space.

                No matter what you decide to load on there as far as backup software, etc... it will work out great for the majority of SMB space.

                Even in my case, with my current project going on, that would be usable:

                • Server 2016 Standard on the hardware (because dedup not available on Hyper-V Server)
                • 1 VM running the backup server VM (in my case data protection manager 2016)
                • 1 VM running a replica of SQL server

                So yes, even in a kind of set up like mine, that hardware makes sense. What would make one outgrow it, is needing more storage capacity and/or RAM... but for most SMBs, not an issue. For those like where I am, riding right on the edge, could go either way, but would work to start!

                Nice job on the config!

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                  @Tim_G thanks

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                  • dafyreD
                    dafyre
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                    @scottalanmiller Wouldn't adding more memory + StarWind to a setup such as this essentially make it a SAM-HCI ? lol.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                      @dafyre said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

                      @scottalanmiller Wouldn't adding more memory + StarWind to a setup such as this essentially make it a SAM-HCI ? lol.

                      Not the best setup for that, and you'd not want the backup components.

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                      • dafyreD
                        dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

                        @dafyre said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

                        @scottalanmiller Wouldn't adding more memory + StarWind to a setup such as this essentially make it a SAM-HCI ? lol.

                        Not the best setup for that, and you'd not want the backup components.

                        Speaking mainly of the hardware.

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                        • Mike DavisM
                          Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

                          Broadcom 5720 Quad Port GigE On Board NIC

                          I'm wondering why 4 NIC ports. Is that the standard NIC? With two spindles spinning, could you go beyond 1Gb/s? How many Mb/s can each drive write?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
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                            @Mike-Davis said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

                            With two spindles spinning, could you go beyond 1Gb/s? How many Mb/s can each drive write?

                            130MB/s is very close to a theoretical peak. So 2Gb/s would closely match the full maximum possible write speed of the array and be a bottleneck for reads. However, be aware that those are theoretical maximums, not numbers that the drives will sustain at all.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
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                              That's 130MB/s per drive. So 260MB/s for the array.

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                              • travisdh1T
                                travisdh1
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                                What's going to be used to manage backups?

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                                  @travisdh1 said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

                                  What's going to be used to manage backups?

                                  In this DIY example, anything you like. In a commercial unit that you order from SAM-SD.... Veeam.

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                                    Texkonc
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                                    Is it backups or a DR appliance that you can run your vms on in a seconds notice. Post states backups but titling the device DR.

                                    Which is it? Backups as in Unitrends appliance type backup or DR where there is missing replication component and can have your vms up in seconds?

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                                    • Mike DavisM
                                      Mike Davis @Texkonc
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                                      @Texkonc said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

                                      Is it backups or a DR appliance that you can run your vms on in a seconds notice. Post states backups but titling the device DR.
                                      Which is it? Backups as in Unitrends appliance type backup or DR where there is missing replication component and can have your vms up in seconds?

                                      That's more a function of the software than the hardware. Veeam takes dumb storage and turns your forever incremental "backups" in to a point in time recovery point that you can mount for an instant recovery. (I never thought I would put that many marketing terms in one sentence. That kind of hurt.)

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                                      • hobbit666H
                                        hobbit666
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                                        UK suppliers recommended?
                                        Funny you should mention these as my next project after the MPLS goes in is backups/DR and DR local and remote

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @hobbit666
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                                          @hobbit666 said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

                                          UK suppliers recommended?
                                          Funny you should mention these as my next project after the MPLS goes in is backups/DR and DR local and remote

                                          You want parts or the real deal with support? Hammer is our enterprise supplier in EU. Full SAM-DR is available now. But it is R330 in Europe not the R320 like in the US.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Texkonc
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                                            @Texkonc said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:

                                            Is it backups or a DR appliance that you can run your vms on in a seconds notice. Post states backups but titling the device DR.

                                            Which is it? Backups as in Unitrends appliance type backup or DR where there is missing replication component and can have your vms up in seconds?

                                            Both. This would have Hyper-V on it. Or VMware if you wanted, and you could restore locally if needed.

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