Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China
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@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
Now if you need tons of storage, Vultr won't make a lot of sense. They are unbeatable for 250GB - 1TB. I mean totally untouchable. Go much beyond that and you are going to want someone else, possibly your own service. What size range / scale are we talking? Less than 1TB, 1TB to 4TB, 4TB+?
I'm not completely sure but I would imagine it would be less than 1TB but I'm going to have to get more information from them.
Then Vultr is the super obvious choice. You can go over a TB there too, but go much over and the price stops being the slam dunk that it is below 1TB.
I see SSD VPS plans on Vultr. Is that what you are referring to?
No, you use SATA for storage.
After logging in a see the storage option. Although, they are "sold out" of quite a few options. In Los Angeles, they only have the $5/mo option. I don't suppose moving an instance to another data center is easy.
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@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
Now if you need tons of storage, Vultr won't make a lot of sense. They are unbeatable for 250GB - 1TB. I mean totally untouchable. Go much beyond that and you are going to want someone else, possibly your own service. What size range / scale are we talking? Less than 1TB, 1TB to 4TB, 4TB+?
I'm not completely sure but I would imagine it would be less than 1TB but I'm going to have to get more information from them.
Then Vultr is the super obvious choice. You can go over a TB there too, but go much over and the price stops being the slam dunk that it is below 1TB.
I see SSD VPS plans on Vultr. Is that what you are referring to?
No, you use SATA for storage.
After logging in a see the storage option. Although, they are "sold out" of quite a few options. In Los Angeles, they only have the $5/mo option. I don't suppose moving an instance to another data center is easy.
You have to pay attention, they sell out fast and release new ones every few days. They've exploded in popularity and can't deploy hardware fast enough.
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Is it OK to use the "Application" server type for NextCloud? I see that it is CentOS6. At this stage, it is more of a POC at this point but it could turn into production use for a handful of users and may even expand company-wide. I am not sure how much work/time to put into it at this point.
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@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
Is it OK to use the "Application" server type for NextCloud?
No, their applications are ancient and unmaintained. I don't even look in that section.
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@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
Now if you need tons of storage, Vultr won't make a lot of sense. They are unbeatable for 250GB - 1TB. I mean totally untouchable. Go much beyond that and you are going to want someone else, possibly your own service. What size range / scale are we talking? Less than 1TB, 1TB to 4TB, 4TB+?
I'm not completely sure but I would imagine it would be less than 1TB but I'm going to have to get more information from them.
Then Vultr is the super obvious choice. You can go over a TB there too, but go much over and the price stops being the slam dunk that it is below 1TB.
I see SSD VPS plans on Vultr. Is that what you are referring to?
No, you use SATA for storage.
After logging in a see the storage option. Although, they are "sold out" of quite a few options. In Los Angeles, they only have the $5/mo option. I don't suppose moving an instance to another data center is easy.
You have to pay attention, they sell out fast and release new ones every few days. They've exploded in popularity and can't deploy hardware fast enough.
I guess that is good. Popularity in this case seems to indicate value.
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Use my Fedora 25 Salt guide. It "just works". Builds the whole thing for you.
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@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
Use my Fedora 25 Salt guide. It "just works". Builds the whole thing for you.
Thanks. I figured as much. I did see your guide while looking into deploying Nextcloud. I also read a couple weeks ago about current PHP versions and Nextcloud support (or lack of). Is that a concern here?
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@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
Use my Fedora 25 Salt guide. It "just works". Builds the whole thing for you.
Thanks. I figured as much. I did see your guide while looking into deploying Nextcloud. I also read a couple weeks ago about current PHP versions and Nextcloud support (or lack of). Is that a concern here?
Which are they lacking on? I have them in 7.1.
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@scottalanmiller NM - https://mangolassi.it/topic/12856/nextcloud-and-php-7
I guess it was more related to CentOS 7 and you said you were using Fedora 25 because of that. My go to these days is CentOS 7. Not that I have tons of Linux experience, but I have done most of my tinkering and work with it.
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Fedora fixes that stuff
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@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
Fedora fixes that stuff
I am trying to build a VM in my on-prem VMware (version 6) environment to play around with Fedora and NextCloud while I wait for Vultr to build out its inventory. I can't find Fedora listed on the Guest OS section and when I check the guest OS compatibility guide from VMware ( http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/home.html ), it only shows 24 and only in the desktop version. Should I just pick RHEL in the New VM configuration?
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@wrx7m I used to choose Other Linux when i used vmware and specific distro i was using wasnt listed.
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Picking RHEL 7 is probably fine.
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@scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
Picking RHEL 7 is probably fine.
I tried Other Linux but it only had the E1000 NIC so I tried RHEL 7 and it had the VMXNET 3 NIC so I went with that and am doing the updates on the Fedora installation now.
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@scottalanmiller I am looking at your post on installing via saltstack and I am not sure where to begin. I posted on that thread to keep it related.
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@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
@scottalanmiller I am looking at your post on installing via saltstack and I am not sure where to begin. I posted on that thread to keep it related.
I just responded. I'm on my phone in bed. But I have Salt guides on here separate from this that show how to set up both pieces. All pieces can be on one box. Although that makes it a bit silly.
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@scottalanmiller Thanks for the reply.
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So it looks like there are essentially 2 speeds when dealing with China- The inside China speed and the International speed. Their inside speed is 100Mbps but their average international speed (they refer to it as the International Corridor) is 1Mbps. Yeah... 1!
I have yet to find an optimal way of doing this.
I have asked them to find out how to increase their international bandwidth. I was doing some Googling over the weekend and found that larger companies have this capability but I don't know how they are doing it and how much it costs (probably more than we can spend).
Also, if I can work with a Chinese host for a nextcloud server, setting up some public-facing websites, which nextcloud may or may not be classified as, may or may not require some sort of license from the Chinese government, which could take a month or more or get denied. If I can get that setup, then we are still dealing with an issue where we would need to replicate the data across to a second nextcloud server here. From what I was reading on the nextcloud forums, there is no native way of doing this yet and even if we could, we are still constrained by the 1Mbps average international speed.
The user proposed syncing two Synology NAS devices (1 in China and 1 here), but that introduces all sorts of other headaches on how to get the data shared out to our users here and backed up consistently. As we all know, syncing does not equal a backup.
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@wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:
So it looks like there are essentially 2 speeds when dealing with China- The inside China speed and the International speed. Their inside speed is 100Mbps but their average international speed (they refer to it as the International Corridor) is 1Mbps. Yeah... 1!
I have yet to find an optimal way of doing this.
I have asked them to find out how to increase their international bandwidth. I was doing some Googling over the weekend and found that larger companies have this capability but I don't know how they are doing it and how much it costs (probably more than we can spend).
Also, if I can work with a Chinese host for a nextcloud server, setting up some public-facing websites, which nextcloud may or may not be classified as, may or may not require some sort of license from the Chinese government, which could take a month or more or get denied. If I can get that setup, then we are still dealing with an issue where we would need to replicate the data across to a second nextcloud server here. From what I was reading on the nextcloud forums, there is no native way of doing this yet and even if we could, we are still constrained by the 1Mbps average international speed.
The user proposed syncing two Synology NAS devices (1 in China and 1 here), but that introduces all sorts of other headaches on how to get the data shared out to our users here and backed up consistently. As we all know, syncing does not equal a backup.
Would something like RDS or VDI work in this instance?
