XenServer 7.1 is out...
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
This is actually not the way Scott explained it to me a while ago.
He told me if I could get my hands one the RHEL install media, that I'm completely allowed to install and use it, just get no support (obviously).
In the case of this Enterprise XS stuff, you probably can't run these 'add-ons' unless you pay.
Correct, all of the RHEL stuff is free, that's how CentOS was first created... from the free RHEL stuff.
Well then, but the sounds of it, XS Enterprise to XS is nothing like RHEL to CentOS, since CentOS has everything inside RHEL, where XS does not have everything inside XS Enterprise.
Correct. Not really a good comparison. RHEL is about support. XSE is not. It's about add ons that are not open source and not a part of XS.
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So xenserver.org is the totally free, open source version?
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Last time I checked you were not entitled to install redhat without paid support: you had to remove it from the server. You were ok with the sources. Maybe this is now different.
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
So xenserver.org is the totally free, open source version?
Yes, XenServer itself is a product from Linux. But Citrix hosts all of the pages for it and owns the name. So makes things insanely confusing for no good reason.
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@matteo-nunziati said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Last time I checked you were not entitled to install redhat without paid support: you had to remove it from the server. You were ok with the sources. Maybe this is now different.
Depends on how you look at it. Red Hat has no ability to block you from using their sources to install RHEL. That's how CentOS was made. That was just someone doing the work for you instead of you doing it all yourself.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
So xenserver.org is the totally free, open source version?
Yes, XenServer itself is a product from Linux. But Citrix hosts all of the pages for it and owns the name. So makes things insanely confusing for no good reason.
Right, so when xenserver.org says...
We are pleased to announce the release of XenServer 7.1!
Click here to learn about the new features and enhancements available in 7.1.And that leads you to ...
https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2017/02/23/xenserver-7-1-now-available-for-download/
What are you supposed to think?
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
So xenserver.org is the totally free, open source version?
Yes, XenServer itself is a product from Linux. But Citrix hosts all of the pages for it and owns the name. So makes things insanely confusing for no good reason.
Right, so when xenserver.org says...
We are pleased to announce the release of XenServer 7.1!
Click here to learn about the new features and enhancements available in 7.1.And that leads you to ...
https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2017/02/23/xenserver-7-1-now-available-for-download/
What are you supposed to think?
You are SUPPOSED to think that Citrix owns it all, because that is their goal as the name owner. That's why they bought the Xen brand years ago, for the express purpose of misleading people. That's what I keep saying... the goal, what you are supposed to be is confused. That's the purpose. Citrix owns the "name" of Xen and XenServer and uses it to be misleading. None of this will make sense if you think that the idea of anything with the Xen name is meant to be straightforward, because it isn't. Linux doesn't own the Xen name and can't control that stuff.
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That doesn't make any sense.
Plus, it's not just the name. Citrix hosts some of the files. Are they putting the product out as well?
Who MAKES/WRITES XenServer?
Forget about the name, who makes the product itself?
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Forget about the name, who makes the product itself?
XCP is the underlying base, that's the Linux Foundation. It's made by volunteers and run by the LF. XS is the Citrix brand name of XCP.
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
That doesn't make any sense.
Plus, it's not just the name. Citrix hosts some of the files. Are they putting the product out as well?
What does hosting mean, though?
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When you install the free version of "the product formally know to me as XS" ... where does that come from?
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
When you install the free version of "the product formally know to me as XS" ... where does that come from?
It's made by Linux. It's hosted by whatever server hosts the official files. Citrix donates the hosting currently. Just like how many Microsoft products are hosted by Github.
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@matteo-nunziati said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Good find.
Important to note that the REAL host of the project is Github. Citrix only hosts the ISOs.
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Would be nice if XenServer was forked or repackaged into a different version. Maybe call it XenOS and include newer XenCenter that is web-based like ESXi Embedded Host Client.
And that doesn't disable SELinux, CentOS Repo and support other file systems like ext4 and XFS and instead of vhd adopt vhdx.
These discussions will be happening every time XenServer is release because it's still linked to Citrix one way or another.
It's open source on xenserver.org. You go to Citrix website and they confuse you with Standard or Enterprise.
And then after all that you have Citrix XenCenter.I've been holding those words in for awhile now.
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@black3dynamite said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Would be nice if XenServer was forked or repackaged into a different version. Maybe call it XenOS and include newer XenCenter that is web-based like ESXi Embedded Host Client.
And that doesn't disable SELinux, CentOS Repo and support other file systems like ext4 and XFS and instead of vhd adopt vhdx.
These discussions will be happening every time XenServer is release because it's still linked to Citrix one way or another.
It's open source on xenserver.org. You go to Citrix website and they confuse you with Standard or Enterprise.
And then after all that you have Citrix XenCenter.I've been holding those words in for awhile now.
Someone needs to take the core, update it, replace the missing features that Citrix stripped out years ago (DRBD, Fault Tolerance), integrate XO and package it that way
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@matteo-nunziati said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Lots of clarity. My favorite is the last line. Various.
"Additionally, there are a small number of XenServer components which are not able to be open sourced. They are listed below, together with the reason they must remain closed.
Component Description Owner Reason
v6d License server daemon Citrix Links to closed source library
(various drivers) System drivers and user tools Various Third-party components which Citrix does not own" -
Btw... What about opensuse? Now they should move to a 4 year support window(*)... Do they still distribute xen hypervisor components or did they dropped it like redhat?
(*) still I do not know if they change kernel and other base stuff more frequently...
