I've lost all hope in Education.
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@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
I'm still going to check on it and see. But it is likely that you guys are right.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
I'm still going to check on it and see. But it is likely that you guys are right.
So..... the assumption is that the most likely case, 51% at least, is that you are going back to college, and not getting a degree since you won't retake those classes.
That's what prompted me to wonder what the goal was and to be surprised that your job would pay more for not getting a degree.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
I'm still going to check on it and see. But it is likely that you guys are right.
So..... the assumption is that the most likely case, 51% at least, is that you are going back to college, and not getting a degree since you won't retake those classes.
That's what prompted me to wonder what the goal was and to be surprised that your job would pay more for not getting a degree.
No... that is 51% most likely that I won't be taking any classes at all. I have to get an AA DEGREE to get the raise. I will not be subjected to the core classes again, not when I have already paid for and passed them.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
Just a little.
I'm one of those guys that if I've already done something, I'm not going to do it again just to get the paper that says I can do it. Not when I've already got experience to prove it.Edit: I'm talking about just my core classes. How often is 1+1 going to change? or the Pythagorean theorem? Or the way we conjugate verbs?
For all you Grammar nazi's around... Take this: Theiyr're.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
Just a little.
I'm one of those guys that if I've already done something, I'm not going to do it again just to get the paper that says I can do it. Not when I've already got experience to prove it.In a way, one could say that that should rule out ALL college for you. Having worked in IT, you've done this all already. The whole process is doing it "again to get the paper".
And the same could be said for a graduate degree. My master's work was just a simpler copy of my undergrad work.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
Edit: I'm talking about just my core classes. How often is 1+1 going to change? or the Pythagorean theorem? Or the way we conjugate verbs?
So take different gen ed classes (core refers to your IT classes normally, gen ed to the non-IT ones, normally.) If you've taken the gen eds and still know the material, take the next level or different classes so that it continues to be useful.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
Just a little.
I'm one of those guys that if I've already done something, I'm not going to do it again just to get the paper that says I can do it. Not when I've already got experience to prove it.In a way, one could say that that should rule out ALL college for you. Having worked in IT, you've done this all already. The whole process is doing it "again to get the paper".
And the same could be said for a graduate degree. My master's work was just a simpler copy of my undergrad work.
There's a difference between spending [essentially] nothing (but my time) and getting a pay raise vs having to pay for it all over again (in my personal time, not money, necessarily).
The college I work at gives employees a scholarship to help pay for classes. Since I'm already living in town, that would pretty much cover the tuition for the courses. I could have my AA degree in a couple of semesters, I think.
I'm still in the plotting and planning stage right now.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
RIT grad school is also 5... from experience.
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@coliver said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
RIT grad school is also 5... from experience.
Nope, it's seven. I'm there now dealing with it.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
Just a little.
I'm one of those guys that if I've already done something, I'm not going to do it again just to get the paper that says I can do it. Not when I've already got experience to prove it.In a way, one could say that that should rule out ALL college for you. Having worked in IT, you've done this all already. The whole process is doing it "again to get the paper".
And the same could be said for a graduate degree. My master's work was just a simpler copy of my undergrad work.
There's a difference between spending [essentially] nothing (but my time) and getting a pay raise vs having to pay for it all over again (in my personal time, not money, necessarily).
The college I work at gives employees a scholarship to help pay for classes. Since I'm already living in town, that would pretty much cover the tuition for the courses. I could have my AA degree in a couple of semesters, I think.
I'm still in the plotting and planning stage right now.
Right, but with that logic, retaking the classes you already did would fall into that category as well. So the logic contradicts itself there.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
Just a little.
I'm one of those guys that if I've already done something, I'm not going to do it again just to get the paper that says I can do it. Not when I've already got experience to prove it.In a way, one could say that that should rule out ALL college for you. Having worked in IT, you've done this all already. The whole process is doing it "again to get the paper".
And the same could be said for a graduate degree. My master's work was just a simpler copy of my undergrad work.
There's a difference between spending [essentially] nothing (but my time) and getting a pay raise vs having to pay for it all over again (in my personal time, not money, necessarily).
The college I work at gives employees a scholarship to help pay for classes. Since I'm already living in town, that would pretty much cover the tuition for the courses. I could have my AA degree in a couple of semesters, I think.
I'm still in the plotting and planning stage right now.
Right, but with that logic, retaking the classes you already did would fall into that category as well. So the logic contradicts itself there.
It would seem you have a valid point there.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
Just a little.
I'm one of those guys that if I've already done something, I'm not going to do it again just to get the paper that says I can do it. Not when I've already got experience to prove it.In a way, one could say that that should rule out ALL college for you. Having worked in IT, you've done this all already. The whole process is doing it "again to get the paper".
And the same could be said for a graduate degree. My master's work was just a simpler copy of my undergrad work.
There's a difference between spending [essentially] nothing (but my time) and getting a pay raise vs having to pay for it all over again (in my personal time, not money, necessarily).
The college I work at gives employees a scholarship to help pay for classes. Since I'm already living in town, that would pretty much cover the tuition for the courses. I could have my AA degree in a couple of semesters, I think.
I'm still in the plotting and planning stage right now.
Right, but with that logic, retaking the classes you already did would fall into that category as well. So the logic contradicts itself there.
It would seem you have a valid point there.
I try my best. Not saying you shouldn't do free classes for a raise, just saying I was confused.My biggest advice is "take control of your education". If you put in the effort, you can almost always make a college do things that make sense, even if they don't by default. You can normally push for better, harder, more diverse classes than they suggest or require.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@coliver said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
RIT grad school is also 5... from experience.
Nope, it's seven. I'm there now dealing with it.
I was dealing with it last year unfortunately. Just missed the deadline.
