Offline files nightmare
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This is one of the beauties of open source software, new projects don't always mean new code. Many projects come from mature code. Like DragonFly from FreeBSD. DragonFly wasn't new, even though it forked from FreeBSD. Just two different directions from the same starting point.
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@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
I honestly haven't tried NextCloud or ownCloud yet. How is that stored, is it something you can store on-premises if needed (like downloading a server-client copy), or is it only out on someone else's servers, or what? Going to do a little research, just thought I'd ask in the mean time how it realistically looks.
It's just a file server. You install it wherever you want. Same as Samba, Windows File Server, etc.
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@scottalanmiller I know it doesn't mean new, but there were some decent sized changes from what I could tell. I am optimistic, for sure.
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@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller I know it doesn't mean new, but there were some decent sized changes from what I could tell. I am optimistic, for sure.
No, the original release had almost no changes at all, it was nothing but the normal incremental release of the current code in process. NextCloud was a direct fork, there is no shift or anything of the sort. It's literally just the continuation of ownCloud, nothing else at all. If ownCloud would have been viable today, NextCloud is viable. Same product, no change in direction except to open the code even more and have better community involvement... it's even the same team of people.
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@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
I honestly haven't tried NextCloud or ownCloud yet. How is that stored, is it something you can store on-premises if needed (like downloading a server-client copy), or is it only out on someone else's servers, or what? Going to do a little research, just thought I'd ask in the mean time how it realistically looks.
It's just a file server. You install it wherever you want. Same as Samba, Windows File Server, etc.
Ah, ok. So then you're still dealing with offline files? Or do people setup their instance of NextCloud/ownCloud on a web server so that users can access stuff wherever they are, without having to VPN into the network or worry about offline files?
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@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
I honestly haven't tried NextCloud or ownCloud yet. How is that stored, is it something you can store on-premises if needed (like downloading a server-client copy), or is it only out on someone else's servers, or what? Going to do a little research, just thought I'd ask in the mean time how it realistically looks.
Install it on your internal server... Make sure VM is configured with enough storage on the Nextcloud VM to hold everybody's files... and go.
Note: This would not something be good for syncing Outlook OSTs or files that are open all the time... But for MyDocs/Pictures/Videos, etc... Is great.
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@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
I honestly haven't tried NextCloud or ownCloud yet. How is that stored, is it something you can store on-premises if needed (like downloading a server-client copy), or is it only out on someone else's servers, or what? Going to do a little research, just thought I'd ask in the mean time how it realistically looks.
It's just a file server. You install it wherever you want. Same as Samba, Windows File Server, etc.
Ah, ok. So then you're still dealing with offline files? Or do people setup their instance of NextCloud/ownCloud on a web server so that users can access stuff wherever they are, without having to VPN into the network or worry about offline files?
It's just software that you install. It's a normal file server except you use the ownCloud/NextCloud protocols instead of SMB. It's got built in security, you dont use VPNs in the modern world. That's a kludge to handle LAN-centric protocols and setups like SMB and the Windows File Services.
So you just install NextCloud like any normal web server (it runs on APache, so IS a normal web server exactly) and expose it to the outside over HTTPS like any other secure site.
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@dafyre said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
I honestly haven't tried NextCloud or ownCloud yet. How is that stored, is it something you can store on-premises if needed (like downloading a server-client copy), or is it only out on someone else's servers, or what? Going to do a little research, just thought I'd ask in the mean time how it realistically looks.
Install it on your internal server... Make sure VM is configured with enough storage on the Nextcloud VM to hold everybody's files... and go.
Note: This would not something be good for syncing Outlook OSTs or files that are open all the time... But for MyDocs/Pictures/Videos, etc... Is great.
Is having PSTs on a shared folder still not a good idea?
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@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
Is having PSTs on a shared folder still not a good idea?
THere you go.
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@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
Is having PSTs on a shared folder still not a good idea?
THere you go.
Thought so. I am still pursuing O365, where storage of email will be a lot less of an issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
I honestly haven't tried NextCloud or ownCloud yet. How is that stored, is it something you can store on-premises if needed (like downloading a server-client copy), or is it only out on someone else's servers, or what? Going to do a little research, just thought I'd ask in the mean time how it realistically looks.
It's just a file server. You install it wherever you want. Same as Samba, Windows File Server, etc.
Ah, ok. So then you're still dealing with offline files? Or do people setup their instance of NextCloud/ownCloud on a web server so that users can access stuff wherever they are, without having to VPN into the network or worry about offline files?
It's just software that you install. It's a normal file server except you use the ownCloud/NextCloud protocols instead of SMB. It's got built in security, you dont use VPNs in the modern world. That's a kludge to handle LAN-centric protocols and setups like SMB and the Windows File Services.
So you just install NextCloud like any normal web server (it runs on APache, so IS a normal web server exactly) and expose it to the outside over HTTPS like any other secure site.
Geez... why would anyone use Windows file services anymore then.
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@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
I honestly haven't tried NextCloud or ownCloud yet. How is that stored, is it something you can store on-premises if needed (like downloading a server-client copy), or is it only out on someone else's servers, or what? Going to do a little research, just thought I'd ask in the mean time how it realistically looks.
It's just a file server. You install it wherever you want. Same as Samba, Windows File Server, etc.
Ah, ok. So then you're still dealing with offline files? Or do people setup their instance of NextCloud/ownCloud on a web server so that users can access stuff wherever they are, without having to VPN into the network or worry about offline files?
It's just software that you install. It's a normal file server except you use the ownCloud/NextCloud protocols instead of SMB. It's got built in security, you dont use VPNs in the modern world. That's a kludge to handle LAN-centric protocols and setups like SMB and the Windows File Services.
So you just install NextCloud like any normal web server (it runs on APache, so IS a normal web server exactly) and expose it to the outside over HTTPS like any other secure site.
Geez... why would anyone use Windows file services anymore then.
THey shouldn't. I've been preaching against this conceptually for a year. It's LAN-thinking and a vestige of the 1990s. I gave the talk on this at MangoCon. HOpefully it will be posted soon (pinging @MarigabyFrias for an ETA On that.)
Things like NextCloud are the current and future (for now.) SMB is the past. Anything that relies on a LAN or VPN (VPN is just a LAN extension) is old style thinking. We can't always avoid it, but it's a dead mindset.
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@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
Geez... why would anyone use Windows file services anymore then.
Some companies left the LAN design with things like file shared behind last decade. Just waiting for others to catch up.
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@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
I honestly haven't tried NextCloud or ownCloud yet. How is that stored, is it something you can store on-premises if needed (like downloading a server-client copy), or is it only out on someone else's servers, or what? Going to do a little research, just thought I'd ask in the mean time how it realistically looks.
It's just a file server. You install it wherever you want. Same as Samba, Windows File Server, etc.
Ah, ok. So then you're still dealing with offline files? Or do people setup their instance of NextCloud/ownCloud on a web server so that users can access stuff wherever they are, without having to VPN into the network or worry about offline files?
It's just software that you install. It's a normal file server except you use the ownCloud/NextCloud protocols instead of SMB. It's got built in security, you dont use VPNs in the modern world. That's a kludge to handle LAN-centric protocols and setups like SMB and the Windows File Services.
So you just install NextCloud like any normal web server (it runs on APache, so IS a normal web server exactly) and expose it to the outside over HTTPS like any other secure site.
Geez... why would anyone use Windows file services anymore then.
THey shouldn't. I've been preaching against this conceptually for a year. It's LAN-thinking and a vestige of the 1990s. I gave the talk on this at MangoCon. HOpefully it will be posted soon (pinging @MarigabyFrias for an ETA On that.)
Things like NextCloud are the current and future (for now.) SMB is the past. Anything that relies on a LAN or VPN (VPN is just a LAN extension) is old style thinking. We can't always avoid it, but it's a dead mindset.
Some places seem to have a death grip on control/their own hardware for everything. Even companies that don't like having a private cloud on-premises "because it's cloud". That doesn't make sense to me. Literally just had that conversation at the end of last week. That's like saying you hate virtualization, or offering services with less layers of complexity/points of failure/confusion.
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@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
Things like NextCloud are the current and future (for now.) SMB is the past. Anything that relies on a LAN or VPN (VPN is just a LAN extension) is old style thinking. We can't always avoid it, but it's a dead mindset.
Some places seem to have a death grip on control/their own hardware for everything. E
That has no effect whatsoever. Moving to a better architectural design affects that in no way at all.
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@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
Even companies that don't like having a private cloud on-premises "because it's cloud". That doesn't make sense to me. Literally just had that conversation at the end of last week. That's like saying you hate virtualization, or offering services with less layers of complexity/points of failure/confusion.
Yes, thankfully there is nothing here related to cloud in any way. So not relevant. This is about file servers.
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@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
Even companies that don't like having a private cloud on-premises "because it's cloud". That doesn't make sense to me. Literally just had that conversation at the end of last week. That's like saying you hate virtualization, or offering services with less layers of complexity/points of failure/confusion.
Yes, thankfully there is nothing here related to cloud in any way. So not relevant. This is about file servers.
Yeah I'm digressing. Having a web server with file services on it got me off track thinking about other conversations.
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How good are the install docs for nextcloud? I setup owncloud about 2 years ago and the installation could have gone more smoothly. I don't remember exactly what it was that I had issues with but am hoping nextcloud is even better.
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@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@BBigford said in Offline files nightmare:
Even companies that don't like having a private cloud on-premises "because it's cloud". That doesn't make sense to me. Literally just had that conversation at the end of last week. That's like saying you hate virtualization, or offering services with less layers of complexity/points of failure/confusion.
Yes, thankfully there is nothing here related to cloud in any way. So not relevant. This is about file servers.
Yeah I'm digressing. Having a web server with file services on it got me off track thinking about other conversations.
Yes, it is very easy to put NextCloud on a cloud, or to host it off premises or on VPS. But it's important to keep it separate from a cloud and/or a hosting discussion. Very different things. Just call it a fileserver, makes it more clear for everyone.
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@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
How good are the install docs for nextcloud? I setup owncloud about 2 years ago and the installation could have gone more smoothly. I don't remember exactly what it was that I had issues with but am hoping nextcloud is even better.
@JaredBusch's install docs are great. Took me two minutes to build one.
