First Thing Tasted?
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
also, have you guys in the WEST heard of Yoga ?
I've been reading-up on this guy, for a while now, and it seems unreal to me ... but, check this out ...
Yes, VERY aware of yoga AND very aware of that scam making the news. And that's exactly how we saw this person. Do you see how damaging things like this are? Specifically because of the obvious fraud like this happening, this girl not "eating voluntarily" for sixteen years comes across immediately as a hoax. We assume that the term hunger strike is applied in the same way to her that "not eating" is applied to the 70 year guy. Obviously he's gotten food and liquid somehow, obviously. This isn't even good news for the National Enquirer.
That these two come across as similar or that her hunger strike will make future hunger strikes meaningless because people know that they will be force fed instead of dying, simply makes a mockery of the whole thing. That's the problem.
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
@tonyshowoff said in First Thing Tasted?:
Yes, house wives everywhere do it very poorly, but the pants look great.
well, I guess that's how deep the west thinks of yoga, and probably most other things .. sad..
Actually that's part of the problem, the west feels the same way about India's views on it because crazy claims like people not needing to eat when doing yoga come out and it actually make it far enough for someone to talk about it. It may seem like the west takes it casually, but that's exactly what we hear from India here.
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Remember that just recently someone was jailed in India for disclosing that people in a Catholic shrine were drinking toilet run-off water that was dripping over a statue. This is something that the government intentionally stopped from being disclosed because it is a crime in India to question religious beliefs. That means that unless the doctors saying that these claims are true are from another country, it is the same as there not even being a credible report of it yet because the local doctors are legally barred from disclosing that he's been eating or drinking.
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
also, have you guys in the WEST heard of Yoga ?
I've been reading-up on this guy, for a while now, and it seems unreal to me ... but, check this out ...
Remember that when audited, they found that he had not been monitored around the clock and was only monitored for a very short duration. He had plenty of time, they admitted, to have drank plenty of water. And fifteen days is not a length of time to starve without food. I have gone 28 days with zero food (but obviously with water) before even experiencing what most people call hunger pains. Yes, I have an especially slow metabolism in that way, so that's not exactly normal. But it's a real world number. Twenty eight days of normal activity, not sitting still or meditating or doing anything to lower my consumption rate. In fact, I was very active. Had I wanted to go for a record, I could have done a lot of things to get a lot more time out of that.
So that he didn't eat for fifteen days tells us, literally, nothing at all. And that he was not actually monitored around the clock tells us that... no one has looked into his claim at all, in reality.
Also, you are aware that the Daily Mail is a tabloid paper, right? Not a newspaper.
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don't get me wrong guys.. . I don't believe in blind fate .. I'm from the same field as you'll which is governed by logic and facts ... I would not have mentioned this, if I did not have credible facts to back it up...
I could post similar articles on this guy, from some other credible INTERNATIONAL publications
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
don't get me wrong guys.. . I don't believe in blind fate .. I'm from the same field as you'll which is governed by logic and facts ... I would not have mentioned this, if I did not have credible facts to back it up...
I could post similar articles on this guy, from some other credible INTERNATIONAL publications
Infact, I'm still not convinced about this guy ... India has a lot of these so called "Yogis", "God-men", "Holy-men", and most of them are posers ...
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
don't get me wrong guys.. . I don't believe in blind fate .. I'm from the same field as you'll which is governed by logic and facts ... I would not have mentioned this, if I did not have credible facts to back it up...
I could post similar articles on this guy, from some other credible INTERNATIONAL publications
Even credible internal sources, though, are governed by the laws that forbid them to disclose if it is a fraud. Very credible sources like the medical facility at Harvard have said that it is an outright scam. Now, not saying that Harvard is a good medical resource, it's in the US. But they tend to be pretty good about things like this. And given the Indian religious non-disclosure law, we can't accept any internal source as credible in a religious subject case. They easily have a gag order keeping even very good doctors from telling what they know.
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
don't get me wrong guys.. . I don't believe in blind fate .. I'm from the same field as you'll which is governed by logic and facts ... I would not have mentioned this, if I did not have credible facts to back it up...
I could post similar articles on this guy, from some other credible INTERNATIONAL publications
That is the same study that when audited, they found that the CCTV cameras were only on him most of the time, not all.
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What's also fishy is that they wait for seventy years to point out that they have this miracle going on? That's weird. Why wasn't this making headlines continuously since the second month? That someone goes one month without food, that doesn't make news. But two months, even for a serious yogi, that's gonna break some records. People would be talking about this, everyone would be monitoring and doing so for decades. It would always be in the news and well known. It wouldn't suddenly pop up after seventy years.
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@scottalanmiller said in First Thing Tasted?:
What's also fishy is that they wait for seventy years to point out that they have this miracle going on? That's weird. Why wasn't this making headlines continuously since the second month? That someone goes one month without food, that doesn't make news. But two months, even for a serious yogi, that's gonna break some records. People would be talking about this, everyone would be monitoring and doing so for decades. It would always be in the news and well known. It wouldn't suddenly pop up after seventy years.
well, this is India ... there're places in India, where people still don't have access to water or electricity .... So, years ago, this guy could've been holed-up in some village, and while he may have been popular in his village, he may have been unknown to the rest of country ...
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fake or not fake ...did it get any of you guys thinking of possibility ? or just how absurd it is ?
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
fake or not fake ...did it get any of you guys thinking of possibility ? or just how absurd it is ?
Only that it's an extremely obvious scam, especially as it was in the tabloids, not in the news. The world is full of totally ridiculous claims. You can't think that those with no credibility can be true each time. Does that mean that sometime, somewhere one real one might get missed? Of course. But we are bombarded with fake claims all day, every day and being able to differentiate when something has enough potential to be credible and when something has no basis for credibility is absolutely essential not just for normal life, but especially for our jobs. Think about how we have to know what is spam or social engineering, when an end user makes up an obvious lie, etc. And that's just work. Look at Facebook... it's full of people who can't differentiate possible truth from totally baseless insanity. You have to know what "might be true", what is "unlikely true but possible" and what "isn't even worth looking into."
Sadly, this falls firmly in the last category. It's reported in the tabloids and only in the tabloids, it's in a place where disclosing the truth is illegal in this case and no actual study of it has even been done. There isn't even a viable reason to look into it further. It's like saying that aliens were walking around Manhattan yesterday afternoon... is it possible? Um, I guess. But did it happen? No, we have literally nothing that suggests it's even worth looking into it to see if aliens were in Manhattan yesterday because we don't have any trigger to alert us to the potential of something worth investigating.
Does that make sense? This doesn't make the "worthy of further investigation" category. It's so clearly false that it ends there. And that no one else is looking into it either .... is an unbelievable amount of substantiation. This is not being treated as something that anyone closer to the source believes in either.
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
@scottalanmiller said in First Thing Tasted?:
What's also fishy is that they wait for seventy years to point out that they have this miracle going on? That's weird. Why wasn't this making headlines continuously since the second month? That someone goes one month without food, that doesn't make news. But two months, even for a serious yogi, that's gonna break some records. People would be talking about this, everyone would be monitoring and doing so for decades. It would always be in the news and well known. It wouldn't suddenly pop up after seventy years.
well, this is India ... there're places in India, where people still don't have access to water or electricity .... So, years ago, this guy could've been holed-up in some village, and while he may have been popular in his village, he may have been unknown to the rest of country ...
I can' understand that but only to a very limited degree. That it took time, sure. But seventy years for the biggest miracle in human history is a big of an extreme to not have get out, no matter how isolated he was. I mean news would get around. That it took a year or two to reach the outside world, sure, you could sell me on that. News travelled slowly when he started. But that it's taken seventy years means that, let's say, for sixty eight years either no one took him at all seriously and/or until recently the claim wasn't even made. I'm guessing the later. But who knows. But in no case, even with the poorest, most backwards place, most insulated in all of India, it would only take a few days for that news to make it to a city if even a small percentage of people thought it at all likely.
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@tonyshowoff She was imprisoned and force fed through a straw/tube thing
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@momurda said in First Thing Tasted?:
@tonyshowoff She was imprisoned and force fed through a straw/tube thing
You are behind the times
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@RojoLoco
Are you going to say that Gandhi was a selfish asshole screaming 'look at me'? If so you will get many people who disagree with you, and they would probably be right.
In my experiences, that is a typically American way of thinking. 95% of people in the world arent americans, and havent had their thinking perverted in the American Way. yes they would have their own perverted way of thinking but it is something else than what you and i are used to, and as such their motivations are probably unknowable from our point of view. -
@scottalanmiller ... okay, now my point (at the cost of sounding flaky) ...
I feel, the entire "Yogi not eaten for 70 year" is rather implausible .. but, it did gain a lot of attention (In india atleast) , just as Irom's "No Tasting food" strike of 16 years did ... Difference being, that Irom's strike (whether fake or not, whether right or not) made a lot of people stand-up and take notice of an issue that was rather unknown, or faced indifference .. It made people think ... it made them question ..
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
@scottalanmiller ... okay, now my point (at the cost of sounding flaky) ...
I feel, the entire "Yogi not eaten for 70 year" is rather implausible .. but, it did gain a lot of attention (In india atleast) , just as Irom's "No Tasting food" strike of 16 years did ... Difference being, that Irom's strike (whether fake or not, whether right or not) made a lot of people stand-up and take notice of an issue that was rather unknown, or faced indifference .. It made people think ... it made them question ..
I totally get that that idea is valuable. What I'm wondering is.... did it do more to get attention for the law or for the person? Would something else have gotten more attention for the law than doing this? Something that might have changed it? And also, why are people paying attention to people doing this rather than paying attention to the laws in the first place?
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@scottalanmiller said in First Thing Tasted?:
@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
@scottalanmiller ... okay, now my point (at the cost of sounding flaky) ...
I feel, the entire "Yogi not eaten for 70 year" is rather implausible .. but, it did gain a lot of attention (In india atleast) , just as Irom's "No Tasting food" strike of 16 years did ... Difference being, that Irom's strike (whether fake or not, whether right or not) made a lot of people stand-up and take notice of an issue that was rather unknown, or faced indifference .. It made people think ... it made them question ..
I totally get that that idea is valuable. What I'm wondering is.... did it do more to get attention for the law or for the person? Would something else have gotten more attention for the law than doing this? Something that might have changed it? And also, why are people paying attention to people doing this rather than paying attention to the laws in the first place?
here's another way of looking @ it ... Yes, her actions DID get HER a lot of attention, and through her the issue, the cause, and the draconian law did too ..
Historically, every cause, every revolution, has had a champion, a poster-boy/girl ...
I don't see people say ..."Oh what Martin Luther King did was mostly to draw attention to himself ... what he did, did very little for African-American civil rights" ...
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@Veet said in First Thing Tasted?:
I don't see people say ..."Oh what Martin Luther King did was mostly to draw attention to himself ... what he did, did very little for African-American civil rights" ...
Well, I feel that a lot of people do feel that he was very much looking for attention, while still supporting a cause. But also, his work, which was far more about getting the word out, getting people involved, reaching out to real people to take real action immediately, did a lot of change very quickly. Civil rights laws in America change extremely rapidly after and during his work and he was partially fighting against an impression of the laws, not just the laws themselves, which he certainly did change dramatically.
But I at least have always had the impression that he was seen as also doing a lot of his work for attention as well. He was famous in his lifetime, rather than famous only after death like John Brown.
