User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated
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@aaronstuder said
Only if your using a Microsoft Account
Which is another thing I think normal users find very hard to opt out of.
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@BRRABill Would you rather normal users lose all there data?
Normal users NEVER remember were any paperwork for the computer is.....
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@aaronstuder said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BRRABill said
Bitlocker keys sent to Microsoft.
Bitlocker enabled by default.
Only if your using a Microsoft Account
Your Microsoft account online. This option is only available on non-domain-joined PCs.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/bitlocker-recovery-keys-faq
This is no different than Apple doing the same for the iPhone with iMessages. Apple stores the encryption key so you just add a device to the account and the key is provided to the device and your messages are all readable.
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@aaronstuder said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BRRABill Would you rather normal users lose all there data?
Normal users NEVER remember were any paperwork for the computer is.....
I agree with this. There is the ability to opt out for those who really know what they are doing, but frankly the normal person should not be opting out. These protections are there to help them.
I really can't wait until the MS store really takes off and everyone buys all of their software in that store. Today, when a PC needs to be rebuilt you ask the user for all of their software installers, etc, do they have them? Of course not, they threw them away, or lost them, etc. Using the store makes a PC more like an iPhone or Android device. You log in with your purchasing account and tada! all of your apps can come back.
Normal people need this, normal people WANT this.
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@Dashrender said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BBigford said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
To name a few... WiFi Sense, Telemetry, Cortana. The list is extensive though, so much that people developed programs and PowerShell scripts to disable the atrocities that were the "features".
Anyone who uses an Android Phone or an iPhone suffers this same list only on the the tech specific to their platform. As for WiFi sense, it's not enabled by default, so it's really a non issue!
I disagree. Anyone who enables the option, doesn't fully understand what they are giving up in my opinion. Having an option like that, just not employed, is like having a semi defective grenade that "ticks occasionally". It's a feature that could potentially cause damage, if maliciously enabled.
That feature has no reason to be in any release of Windows. It's very existence is questionable when it comes to security ethics. Microsoft didn't even remove it because it was a security issue, it was only removed because it wasn't being used by most.
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@Mike-Davis said
What if it was one of our computers and it decided to upgrade and we sat down to work and it was sitting there for 2 hours displaying "do not reboot your computer"?
This is a statement which belongs on a bookshelf marked comedy.
Can Windows 7 upgrade to 10 without any user action? No.
Find me a single provable source across the entire planet where Windows 10 has become self-aware and upgraded without a user clicking "upgrade"
Are Microsoft being trigger happy with the constant prompts? Yes but it is still end user choice. By the same token, if a cryptolocker pop up appears on a website, will you just click "yay download please"
@Mike-Davis said
I got a call on Sunday from a family member after their computer upgraded overnight without their approval. I don't think Microsoft is playing fair.
I don't believe it. There is a hysteria about computers doing things without asking for approval but despite the media stories, it's all up to individuals.
As for fair from Microsoft.
You want a secure up to date operating system but don't want to install updates.
You want a stable OS but leave it running 24/7 with no reboots in months.Microsoft are simply following in the foot steps of Google & Apple, there is nothing fundamentally new about Windows 10 on the market, they are simply catching up to Apple & Google. Forced in your face constant prompts for updates? Where have we seen that before...
If Microsoft were not as pushy, would Windows 10 just be "another thing you'll get around to" and more people would miss out?
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@Breffni-Potter said
I don't believe it. There is a hysteria about computers doing things without asking for approval but despite the media stories, it's all up to individuals.
We've discussed this before on ML.
I think what the issue is, is that the screen Microsoft puts up makes it seem like they HAVE to upgrade.
Right or wrong (I am sure a couple ML-ers would say it is the user's fault for not reading properly) it seems to be tricking people.
I get at least a call a week with someone saying their computer "automatically upgraded" and I really only help a handful of people outside of work.
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This is a hard call for me. I haven't run Windows 7 or 8.1 personally since July of last year, so the chance for a machine to just upgrade on its own hasn't been possible.
Paul Thurrott though has said that he does believe that there probably is a bug (or intentional problem) with the update software that randomly pushed the upgrade through, even though it hasn't been approved.
Sadly I agree with this possibility/likeliness.
At the same time, I agree that MS's dialog box does not appear to present an option to NOT upgrade (social engineering much?) which is fraking horrible.
But in the long run, having more people upgraded or migrated away from Windows is safer for the internet at large.
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@Dashrender said i
But in the long run, having more people upgraded or migrated away from Windows is safer for the internet at large.
Was that a typo, or did you really mean migrated away from Windows?
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@BRRABill said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@Dashrender said i
But in the long run, having more people upgraded or migrated away from Windows is safer for the internet at large.
Was that a typo, or did you really mean migrated away from Windows?
As much as I do like Windows, yes migrating away from Windows to iDevices and Chromebooks for most users would make the safer place. Both of these platforms force updates upon users keeping those users safe, oh, kinda like what's happening to some users on Windows.
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@Dashrender said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BRRABill said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@Dashrender said i
But in the long run, having more people upgraded or migrated away from Windows is safer for the internet at large.
Was that a typo, or did you really mean migrated away from Windows?
As much as I do like Windows, yes migrating away from Windows to iDevices and Chromebooks for most users would make the safer place. Both of these platforms force updates upon users keeping those users safe, oh, kinda like what's happening to some users on Windows.
If your Chromebooks are supported (it's by age... not architecture or performance weird enough), Google is porting Android apps over. This is going to deprecate iDevices even further in low budget areas, but more importantly, education/GAFE. That
That basically taps into an app store, instead of re-coding apps for the Chrome Store. Plus, makes things a little more unified since Android devices can be managed in GAFE/GAFB.
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@BBigford said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@Dashrender said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BRRABill said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@Dashrender said i
But in the long run, having more people upgraded or migrated away from Windows is safer for the internet at large.
Was that a typo, or did you really mean migrated away from Windows?
As much as I do like Windows, yes migrating away from Windows to iDevices and Chromebooks for most users would make the safer place. Both of these platforms force updates upon users keeping those users safe, oh, kinda like what's happening to some users on Windows.
If your Chromebooks are supported (it's by age... not architecture or performance weird enough), Google is porting Android apps over. This is going to deprecate iDevices even further in low budget areas, but more importantly, education/GAFE. That
That basically taps into an app store, instead of re-coding apps for the Chrome Store. Plus, makes things a little more unified since Android devices can be managed in GAFE/GAFB.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/25/google-to-bring-android-apps-to-the-chromebook/
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@Dashrender said
As much as I do like Windows, yes migrating away from Windows to iDevices and Chromebooks for most users would make the safer place. Both of these platforms force updates upon users keeping those users safe, oh, kinda like what's happening to some users on Windows.
I just recommended a Chromebook over the weekend.
Guy only uses e-mail and web browsing and hates his old crappy Windows laptop.
I was like, boy do I have some good news for you!
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@BRRABill said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
I was like, boy do I have some good news for you!
Until he finds out that his favourite websites all use Silverlight!
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@Carnival-Boy said
Until he finds out that his favourite websites all use Silverlight!
Time to change websites!
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I can recommend Chromebooks for others, but damn just using the one I setup for someone recently made me want to destroy it!
You have a friggin' desktop and you can't put icons on it? WTF? Why can't I put web app shortcuts on the desktop? We have icons on every other GUI solution out there (android, iphone, windows phones, Windows PC, Macs, Cinnamon, etc).
I'm now trying to find a printing solution for this device. Sadly, the Chromebook is in NYC, and I'm in Nebraska.
Can you remote control into a Chromebook? Not to mention getting the printer on WiFi will be a minor challenge for this user.
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@Carnival-Boy said
Until he finds out that his favourite websites all use Silverlight!
Looking at you streaming websites!
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@Dashrender said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
I can recommend Chromebooks for others, but damn just using the one I setup for someone recently made me want to destroy it!
You have a friggin' desktop and you can't put icons on it? WTF? Why can't I put web app shortcuts on the desktop? We have icons on every other GUI solution out there (android, iphone, windows phones, Windows PC, Macs, Cinnamon, etc).
I'm now trying to find a printing solution for this device. Sadly, the Chromebook is in NYC, and I'm in Nebraska.
Can you remote control into a Chromebook? Not to mention getting the printer on WiFi will be a minor challenge for this user.
No icons on the deskop? I wish every OS, ever, got rid of that garbage.
Seriously, who actually minimizes everything or does a hide all, going to their desktop, instead of just opens Explorer and uses some other directory? I mean I do, but there is no easier way...
What's even better is just making a shortcut for a certain directory on your taskbar...
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@BBigford said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@Dashrender said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
I can recommend Chromebooks for others, but damn just using the one I setup for someone recently made me want to destroy it!
You have a friggin' desktop and you can't put icons on it? WTF? Why can't I put web app shortcuts on the desktop? We have icons on every other GUI solution out there (android, iphone, windows phones, Windows PC, Macs, Cinnamon, etc).
I'm now trying to find a printing solution for this device. Sadly, the Chromebook is in NYC, and I'm in Nebraska.
Can you remote control into a Chromebook? Not to mention getting the printer on WiFi will be a minor challenge for this user.
No icons on the deskop? I wish every OS, ever, got rid of that garbage.
Seriously, who actually minimizes everything or does a hide all, going to their desktop, instead of just opens Explorer and uses some other directory? I mean I do, but there is no easier way...
What's even better is just making a shortcut for a certain directory on your taskbar...
Directory? on a Chromebook?
As for hiding? I personally don't use the desktop for internet shortcuts, I use the desktop for a dumping ground of temporary files. Which brings us to things like Snip and GreenShot - other than just a full on screen shot, is there a way to grab a specific area of the screen for documentation creation purposes?
yes now I know I'm nit picking, but I use this function almost daily for dropping into documentation or dropping images into ML.
But I'm a power user, so I'm fine with Windows. I know how to take care of it, I want to upgrade to Windows 10 (OK did it in what Nov, Dec of 2014). So I need/want different things.
But my 72 yr old Doc wants something close to what he's been using for 20 years or more since Win9x or even Win 3.x icons on the desktop. He has a shortcut to google, to AOL (don't ask), his stocks page, etc. He prefers it (and so does the majority of my staff) to have the shortcut on the desktop instead of clicking the favorite button. I'm past caring why they won't change, I just give them what they want.
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@Dashrender said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
I can recommend Chromebooks for others, but damn just using the one I setup for someone recently made me want to destroy it!
You have a friggin' desktop and you can't put icons on it? WTF? Why can't I put web app shortcuts on the desktop? We have icons on every other GUI solution out there (android, iphone, windows phones, Windows PC, Macs, Cinnamon, etc).
I'm now trying to find a printing solution for this device. Sadly, the Chromebook is in NYC, and I'm in Nebraska.
Can you remote control into a Chromebook? Not to mention getting the printer on WiFi will be a minor challenge for this user.
Remote control a Chromebook? Not yet. I tried and tried. Chromecast for Chrome is FROM Chrome. But now with Android support, you'll be able to most likely.
Printing solution... That is also a tough one because printers are for users, not computers. So you have to add the printer(s) to each user's Gmail account. I've stopped looking for easier methods as I am no longer in GAFE.
