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    • BRRABillB
      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said

      that it came from a medical centre would be PHI so the release is certainly a HIPAA violation. It's also misuse of access and a violation of privacy.

      Right. The employer isn't a covered entity, but it's likely whoever conducted the test is.

      Similar to this...
      http://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/499/am-i-a-covered-entity-under-hipaa/index.html

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        Jason Banned @BRRABill
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        @BRRABill said in HIPPA:

        @scottalanmiller said

        that it came from a medical centre would be PHI so the release is certainly a HIPAA violation. It's also misuse of access and a violation of privacy.

        Right. The employer isn't a covered entity, but it's likely whoever conducted the test is.

        Similar to this...
        http://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/499/am-i-a-covered-entity-under-hipaa/index.html

        Our employeer does the drug test themselves. We have our own nurses, safety, doctors etc.

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        • BRRABillB
          BRRABill @Jason
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          @Jason

          Are you sure they got it from the test and not elsewhere?

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            Alex Sage @Jason
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            @Jason reporting your own employer might not end well for you....

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              Jason Banned @BRRABill
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              @BRRABill said in HIPPA:

              @Jason

              Are you sure they got it from the test and not elsewhere?

              Yes, she even told me that's where she got it.

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              • BRRABillB
                BRRABill @Jason
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                @Jason said

                Yes, she even told me that's where she got it.

                Uh...

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                  Jason Banned @Alex Sage
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                  @aaronstuder said in HIPPA:

                  @Jason reporting your own employer might not end well for you....

                  Law is the law. They bringing a lawsuit upon themsevles if they fire me for reporting them...

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Jason
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                    @Jason said in HIPPA:

                    @aaronstuder said in HIPPA:

                    @Jason reporting your own employer might not end well for you....

                    Law is the law. They bringing a lawsuit upon themsevles if they fire me for reporting them...

                    Yup, a lawsuit that should be handled directly by the state. They can't fire you to attempt to sway a lawsuit.
                    ...........
                    “Health information means any information, whether oral or recorded in any form or medium, that–

                    (A) is created or received by a health care provider, health plan, public health authority, employer, life insurer, school or university, or health care clearinghouse; and

                    Notice that employer is specifically covered.

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                    • BRRABillB
                      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller

                      Where did you get that snippet from?

                      To my knowledge employers are not covered under the HIPAA rule. In the same way a manufacturer you give medical info to is not.

                      Not applicable here, because a different circumstance, but by definition employers are not covered under the rule to my knowledge.

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                      • BRRABillB
                        BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller

                        The Privacy Rule does not protect your employment records, even if the information in those records is health-related. In most cases, the Privacy Rule does not apply to the actions of an employer.

                        If you work for a health plan or a covered health care provider:

                        The Privacy Rule does not apply to your employment records.
                        The Rule does protect your medical or health plan records if you are a patient of the provider or a member of the health plan.

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                          Jason Banned @BRRABill
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                          @BRRABill said in HIPPA:

                          @scottalanmiller

                          The Privacy Rule does not protect your employment records,

                          So your employer can share your SSN, what medications you are taking, disabilities etc with anyone? That doesn't seem correct.

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                            BRRABill @Jason
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                            @Jason said

                            So your employer can share your SSN, what medications you are taking, disabilities etc with anyone? That doesn't seem correct.

                            They should never have any of your health information. They cannot get it without your consent, unless you give it to them.

                            Here's the whole page I took that snippet from. (It's short.)

                            http://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/employers-health-information-workplace/index.html

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                            • BRRABillB
                              BRRABill @Jason
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                              @Jason said

                              So your employer can share your SSN, what medications you are taking, disabilities etc with anyone? That doesn't seem correct.

                              If they have that information because you are a patient, than no, they cannot do that.

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                                Jason Banned @BRRABill
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                                @BRRABill said in HIPPA:

                                @Jason said

                                So your employer can share your SSN, what medications you are taking, disabilities etc with anyone? That doesn't seem correct.

                                They should never have any of your health information. They cannot get it without your consent, unless you give it to them.

                                Here's the whole page I took that snippet from. (It's short.)

                                http://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/employers-health-information-workplace/index.html

                                Um most employers including mine requires current prescriptions on file, and if you take a drug test you have to list medications you are taking as well.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                  @BRRABill said in HIPPA:

                                  The Privacy Rule does not apply to your employment records.
                                  The Rule does protect your medical or health plan records if you are a patient of the provider or a member of the health plan.

                                  but we are talking about his health record here and the employer is the provider. So while the first bit is true (that's covered by other laws) the second part still applies.

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                                  • BRRABillB
                                    BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said

                                    but we are talking about his health record here and the employer is the provider. So while the first bit is true (that's covered by other laws) the second part still applies.

                                    Correct. But in any other instance where you are not a patient of the covered entity itself, it does not apply.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                      @BRRABill said in HIPPA:

                                      @scottalanmiller

                                      Where did you get that snippet from?

                                      To my knowledge employers are not covered under the HIPAA rule. In the same way a manufacturer you give medical info to is not.

                                      From the link provided earlier.

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                                      • coliverC
                                        coliver @Jason
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                                        @Jason said in HIPPA:

                                        @BRRABill said in HIPPA:

                                        @Jason said

                                        So your employer can share your SSN, what medications you are taking, disabilities etc with anyone? That doesn't seem correct.

                                        They should never have any of your health information. They cannot get it without your consent, unless you give it to them.

                                        Here's the whole page I took that snippet from. (It's short.)

                                        http://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/employers-health-information-workplace/index.html

                                        Um most employers including mine requires current prescriptions on file, and if you take a drug test you have to list medications you are taking as well.

                                        They do? I have never talked to or seen an employer that requires this. It actually may be illegal to request this in NY.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          the same HHS link that you provided, is the one that said employers were covered as having to comply.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @coliver
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                                            @coliver said in HIPPA:

                                            @Jason said in HIPPA:

                                            @BRRABill said in HIPPA:

                                            @Jason said

                                            So your employer can share your SSN, what medications you are taking, disabilities etc with anyone? That doesn't seem correct.

                                            They should never have any of your health information. They cannot get it without your consent, unless you give it to them.

                                            Here's the whole page I took that snippet from. (It's short.)

                                            http://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/employers-health-information-workplace/index.html

                                            Um most employers including mine requires current prescriptions on file, and if you take a drug test you have to list medications you are taking as well.

                                            They do? I have never talked to or seen an employer that requires this. It actually may be illegal to request this in NY.

                                            I think it is illegal most everywhere. I've never had something like that even mentioned or suggested. Even in Texas I've never heard of anything like that. I'm pretty sure it is illegal in most of the larger states. (NY, CA, TX, etc.)

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