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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender said:

      @scottalanmiller said:

      @Dashrender said:

      I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

      How do you think that they get better leaders?

      Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

      Maybe, but they don't really have that in most countries. If anything, most of Europe is far more democratic. Far more.

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      • coliverC
        coliver @Dashrender
        last edited by

        @Dashrender said:

        @scottalanmiller said:

        @Dashrender said:

        I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

        How do you think that they get better leaders?

        Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

        So dictators are better leaders?

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @coliver
          last edited by

          @coliver said:

          @Dashrender said:

          @scottalanmiller said:

          @Dashrender said:

          I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

          How do you think that they get better leaders?

          Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

          So dictators are better leaders?

          according to Scott, yes.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @coliver
            last edited by

            @coliver said:

            @Dashrender said:

            @scottalanmiller said:

            @Dashrender said:

            I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

            How do you think that they get better leaders?

            Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

            So dictators are better leaders?

            That's what history generally shows. Yes. Not all, certainly. But over the long look at history, democracies are the most war prone, unhappy societies and dictators are the happiest and most peaceful. That's the long average, of course.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said:

              @coliver said:

              @Dashrender said:

              @scottalanmiller said:

              @Dashrender said:

              I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

              How do you think that they get better leaders?

              Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

              So dictators are better leaders?

              according to Scott, yes.

              According to lots of studies too. That was required stuff from grad work at RIT in IT, as well. Dictators have the most risk in all directions, but on the average, have the most forces (ethics, social pressure, nobles oblige, self serving history, etc.) to make them good.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                John Green teaches a good class on that too when he looks at the Greeks vs. Persia and how society lost, big time, when Greece beat Persia and the best culture of the time took a back seat to the mob rule of Greek culture.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @coliver said:

                  @Dashrender said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @Dashrender said:

                  I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

                  How do you think that they get better leaders?

                  Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

                  So dictators are better leaders?

                  That's what history generally shows. Yes. Not all, certainly. But over the long look at history, democracies are the most war prone, unhappy societies and dictators are the happiest and most peaceful. That's the long average, of course.

                  On one hand this makes sense, as long as the dictator in question isn't out for world domination, and instead of just being at piece and keeping their people safe. A dictator doesn't generally have to answer to anyone, and being the ultimate decider, decides when lessers are being corrupt and should want to shut them down.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    but on the average, have the most forces (ethics, social pressure, nobles oblige, self serving history, etc.) to make them good.

                    This is the part that I don't understand. What forces them to be good?

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                      last edited by

                      @Dashrender said:

                      On one hand this makes sense, as long as the dictator in question isn't out for world domination, ...

                      And also assuming that the democracy is not. Most of the world would say that the US doesn't qualify here and has, for a long time, been a democratic war machine, much like Rome and Greece were when they were Republics. Remember, Roman expansion was under the republic, the contraction was under the Emperors.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                        last edited by

                        @Dashrender said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        but on the average, have the most forces (ethics, social pressure, nobles oblige, self serving history, etc.) to make them good.

                        This is the part that I don't understand. What forces them to be good?

                        Nothing FORCES them, it is that there are more pressures. Democracies have essentially nothing pressuring them to be good, dictators have many things.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          It's not that dictators are good, but that the results are that they are better. Better doesn't imply good.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @Dashrender said:

                            On one hand this makes sense, as long as the dictator in question isn't out for world domination, ...

                            And also assuming that the democracy is not. Most of the world would say that the US doesn't qualify here and has, for a long time, been a democratic war machine, much like Rome and Greece were when they were Republics. Remember, Roman expansion was under the republic, the contraction was under the Emperors.

                            In recent times I've definitely come to believe that the US is just out for expansion... it sickens me.

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                            • coliverC
                              coliver @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @coliver said:

                              @Dashrender said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @Dashrender said:

                              I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

                              How do you think that they get better leaders?

                              Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

                              So dictators are better leaders?

                              That's what history generally shows. Yes. Not all, certainly. But over the long look at history, democracies are the most war prone, unhappy societies and dictators are the happiest and most peaceful. That's the long average, of course.

                              I agree for the most part. I was trying to make a point.

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                              • coliverC
                                coliver @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @Dashrender said:

                                @coliver said:

                                @Dashrender said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @Dashrender said:

                                I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

                                How do you think that they get better leaders?

                                Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

                                So dictators are better leaders?

                                according to Scott, yes.

                                According to lots of studies too. That was required stuff from grad work at RIT in IT, as well. Dictators have the most risk in all directions, but on the average, have the most forces (ethics, social pressure, nobles oblige, self serving history, etc.) to make them good.

                                I wish I that class had been available to me. It wasn't in my track at RIT.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  On one hand this makes sense, as long as the dictator in question isn't out for world domination, ...

                                  And also assuming that the democracy is not. Most of the world would say that the US doesn't qualify here and has, for a long time, been a democratic war machine, much like Rome and Greece were when they were Republics. Remember, Roman expansion was under the republic, the contraction was under the Emperors.

                                  In recent times I've definitely come to believe that the US is just out for expansion... it sickens me.

                                  How do you mean that...

                                  In recent times your opinion has changed?

                                  or

                                  Your opinion is that recently the US now does this?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @coliver
                                    last edited by

                                    @coliver said:

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    @coliver said:

                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

                                    How do you think that they get better leaders?

                                    Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

                                    So dictators are better leaders?

                                    according to Scott, yes.

                                    According to lots of studies too. That was required stuff from grad work at RIT in IT, as well. Dictators have the most risk in all directions, but on the average, have the most forces (ethics, social pressure, nobles oblige, self serving history, etc.) to make them good.

                                    I wish I that class had been available to me. It wasn't in my track at RIT.

                                    International Project Management

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      On one hand this makes sense, as long as the dictator in question isn't out for world domination, ...

                                      And also assuming that the democracy is not. Most of the world would say that the US doesn't qualify here and has, for a long time, been a democratic war machine, much like Rome and Greece were when they were Republics. Remember, Roman expansion was under the republic, the contraction was under the Emperors.

                                      In recent times I've definitely come to believe that the US is just out for expansion... it sickens me.

                                      How do you mean that...

                                      In recent times your opinion has changed?

                                      or

                                      Your opinion is that recently the US now does this?

                                      that my opinion has changed. I believe that corporate control of the US has driven us to be expansionist for a long time!

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                                      • coliverC
                                        coliver @Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        On one hand this makes sense, as long as the dictator in question isn't out for world domination, ...

                                        And also assuming that the democracy is not. Most of the world would say that the US doesn't qualify here and has, for a long time, been a democratic war machine, much like Rome and Greece were when they were Republics. Remember, Roman expansion was under the republic, the contraction was under the Emperors.

                                        In recent times I've definitely come to believe that the US is just out for expansion... it sickens me.

                                        How do you mean that...

                                        In recent times your opinion has changed?

                                        or

                                        Your opinion is that recently the US now does this?

                                        that my opinion has changed. I believe that corporate control of the US has driven us to be expansionist for a long time!

                                        We've been expansionist for a long time. The war of 1812 was the result in part of US Expansion.

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                                        • coliverC
                                          coliver @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          @coliver said:

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          @coliver said:

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

                                          How do you think that they get better leaders?

                                          Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

                                          So dictators are better leaders?

                                          according to Scott, yes.

                                          According to lots of studies too. That was required stuff from grad work at RIT in IT, as well. Dictators have the most risk in all directions, but on the average, have the most forces (ethics, social pressure, nobles oblige, self serving history, etc.) to make them good.

                                          I wish I that class had been available to me. It wasn't in my track at RIT.

                                          International Project Management

                                          Nope, unfortunately that wasn't on my track.

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                                          • brianlittlejohnB
                                            brianlittlejohn @coliver
                                            last edited by

                                            @coliver said:

                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            I'm not sure I think the citizens of Europe tolerate it less - if anything, their leaders are just better.

                                            How do you think that they get better leaders?

                                            Frankly I think it comes from the closer ties to the dictators you've mentioned...

                                            So dictators are better leaders?

                                            I would be one hell of a dictator 😉

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