Web Application VS Windows Application
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@IT-ADMIN said:
which is better in web developing : ASP.net or J2EE or PHP??
Why would you limit to so few options and pick all ones that are not considered modern or forward looking? While none of those are bad, none would make my short list, either.
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And it is important to note that choosing a language should be done by the determination of the project at hand and never the opposite. That's one of the reasons why VB gets a bad reputation - because the reasons why it is chosen are bad. We assume that if a project is done in VB it is because someone chose VB then used it, rather than having a project, looking for the right tool and using whatever the right tool is.
To pick a good language you would start with knowing the project, then determining the needs, then picking a language and its framework together.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
vb.net has very bad reputation then hhhhhh
someone has to be shy if he tell to people : well i'm a vb.net developer, shameWell no one is forced to only know VB, people who work with VB during the day are always free to learn something else on their own time and should definitely be. No one expects a good developer to only ever know a single language. I've never met a good developer that was defined by a language. They work in many.
yes you are right, this is exactly what i will do, developing the preexisting VB.net project and in the same time if we have new project at hand i will persuade the developer to use c# (80% he will refuse lol because maybe he will choose the short path and the easiest language "shitty VB.net" )
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
which is better in web developing : ASP.net or J2EE or PHP??
Why would you limit to so few options and pick all ones that are not considered modern or forward looking? While none of those are bad, none would make my short list, either.
because this what we have learned in university, and also they are well known in the market especially J2EE,
J2EE guys are well payed $$$ -
@scottalanmiller said:
And it is important to note that choosing a language should be done by the determination of the project at hand and never the opposite. That's one of the reasons why VB gets a bad reputation - because the reasons why it is chosen are bad. We assume that if a project is done in VB it is because someone chose VB then used it, rather than having a project, looking for the right tool and using whatever the right tool is.
To pick a good language you would start with knowing the project, then determining the needs, then picking a language and its framework together.
can you give me use cases where vb.net for example cannot be in the list ??knowing that the need is 90 % of the time is basic, manipulating database (add, remove , edit ....) and generate report , nothing special
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Any full language can do anything. But the "right" language for any given task would be the best one. So on one hand, you could say that VB is always acceptable as it is a full language. On the other hand, you probably cannot find any scenario where it is best, so maybe it should never be on the list.
I lean to the later, the short list should be, quite literally, the few choices that are reasonably potential to be the best for any given task.
Even in VB's wheelhouse, which is Windows desktop development, it is the secondary language to C# in use, popularity and how it is perceived by developers and is tertiary to C# and F# in being considered a modern, serious, expressive language.
So even where VB is best, it isn't good enough to reasonably consider. If you don't consider it when it is as good as it gets, why even consider it?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Any full language can do anything. But the "right" language for any given task would be the best one. So on one hand, you could say that VB is always acceptable as it is a full language. On the other hand, you probably cannot find any scenario where it is best, so maybe it should never be on the list.
I lean to the later, the short list should be, quite literally, the few choices that are reasonably potential to be the best for any given task.
Even in VB's wheelhouse, which is Windows desktop development, it is the secondary language to C# in use, popularity and how it is perceived by developers and is tertiary to C# and F# in being considered a modern, serious, expressive language.
So even where VB is best, it isn't good enough to reasonably consider. If you don't consider it when it is as good as it gets, why even consider it?
yes i agree, in my case i will reply by saying: i will consider it because the one who is in charge of developing has chosen it, so i have to accept that and just use it, otherwise i cannot work with him
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@IT-ADMIN said:
otherwise i cannot work with him
Is that a bad thing? Any why isn't it he that cannot work with you?
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i mean, if i want to work with him in his project i have to follow his language choice not mine
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i mean, if i want to work with him in his project i have to follow his language choice not mine
Ah yes, that makes sense. But for your own project, no need to cater to his needs.
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yeah off course, i will use c#.net, i like it
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@IT-ADMIN said:
yeah off course, i will use c#.net, i like it
Why use C#, though? It's a nice language, I like it too and have written certifications on it even, but that mostly locks you to a single OS. Why write anything that does that in this day and age?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
yeah off course, i will use c#.net, i like it
Why use C#, though? It's a nice language, I like it too and have written certifications on it even, but that mostly locks you to a single OS. Why write anything that does that in this day and age?
maybe i have 3 reason to do so:
1- visual studio make it easy to create the windows interface
2- it is a microsoft product, so it is easy to generate excel and word from my application
3- no body use OS other than windows -
we are in the third world so i think stuff are more easier than yours in US, you are very developed country, do not compare your country with the third world, there is a big difference especially in technology
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@IT-ADMIN said:
3- no body use OS other than windows
This is circular reasoning. You are forcing people to use Windows by only making Windows app, then using the fact that they were forced to do it to justify locking them in again.
Maybe if you made tools that worked other places, they would use other things, like iPhones, Android phones, Linux tablets, Chromebooks, etc.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
we are in the third world so i think stuff are more easier than yours in US, you are very developed country, do not compare your country with the third world, there is a big difference especially in technology
Which is why you should be even more concerned about being efficient than other people. The devastating effects of bad business decisions are much more dangerous in the third world where the loss of money is more heavily felt. You are using having a lack of resources as an excuse to throw resources away and be more heavily indebted to technology decisions. That logic is backwards.
This is a very dangerous mindset - to start acting like the third world should not do things "as well" as the first world. What do you think causes one to be first world and one to be third world in the first place? That kind of mentality. Instead of excusing why things are done poorly, why not take advantage of the lessons and known successes of others and leverage that to your benefit?
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@IT-ADMIN said:
we are in the third world so i think stuff are more easier than yours in US
I'm not in the US, by the way. I'm much closer to you. I'm only 150 miles off of Libya.
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I had someone do the same thing with education this week. Their excuse for getting a bad education and throwing away opportunities was because they were "poor" and could not do the things that "rich people" did. But rich people got rich by doing smart things with their careers and education. If people truly want to succeed, they should look to the successful and emulate the things that make them successful. Most rich people used to be poor and have a lot to teach.
Same goes for first world and third world countries. First world countries often get that way by working better. Not harder, everyone works about the same. More or less. But by investing well, building businesses that make sense, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
we are in the third world so i think stuff are more easier than yours in US
I'm not in the US, by the way. I'm much closer to you. I'm only 150 miles off of Libya.
so i geuss you are now in Italy ?? but you are a US citizen and you have long experience in US or maybe in Europe ??
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@IT-ADMIN said:
so i geuss you are now in Italy ?? but you are a US citizen and you have long experience in US or maybe in Europe ??
Crete, much, much poorer than Italy. Italy is closer to Algeria, I'm very near Libya, the Libyan Sea is within walking distance.
Yes, I have experience in the US and in Europe. But also in Nicaragua and countries much poorer than where you are. That experience is what you should leverage, not ignore. I'm very aware of how companies do things well in demanding markets and how companies in poor markets could take advantage of that knowledge to succeed where others fail.
