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While I love discussion around here please remember something. This is a company. I started this because my team and I saw a need. There was never any plan to have it be something that continually cost me money out of pocket for no reason for years. It is not a nor will never be a publicly owned company. It is a for Profit company. I am hoping to hire a community manager (I promise you will all love this person) soon. I hope to double the server capacity, or even maybe more than that, soon. I hope to hire a developer to work on the platform to make it even better soon.
But I also am not willing to compromise on the overall reason why this community is here. A FREE community for IT Pro's. I am not going to charge people for posting. Once you charge for that than it becomes less of an accessible resource for all.
Once we turn this into something where everyone has a say than it also becomes less useful. I would have to hire someone to oversee the opinions of all here. That person will then have to figure out how to keep everyone happy all the time, HA! That isn’t even close to possible. Then someone who might not even really be an IT Pro could come in demand we change something, leave and then we are left holding the bag on something that doesn’t even make sense.Do I want input from all of you on what you would want to see? YES!! Do I want you all to enjoy hanging out here? YES! Do I want to make sure things run smoothly? YES!
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@JaredBusch said:
@art_of_shred said:
Why is this an issue? I get the performance argument. I hadn't noticed it personally, but I haven't been on much in the last week. The huge hissy-fit over "I don't like it so you need to run your organization the way I think it should be done" is a bit much. When YOU start paying for the bandwidth, do what you think is best and take the liability of your decision. Until then, offer a suggestion politely and then take a seat.
I made my reply because @scottalanmiller started randomly grabbing images for topic icons from all over the place.
Scott contends that it is not theft. I contend that it is theft.
Sorry @JaredBusch , I was actually not directing that at yourself. I'm staying out of the legal discussion, as I don't feel informed enough to weigh in on it.
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@anonymous Of course we care about the users. I don't see how 1 or 2 people not getting their way and having a tantrum about it has anything to do with treating users poorly. No one asked you to help pay, and that's not how this works. So, you disagree with how something is done. Absolutely feel free to post your opinion on the topic; there is nothing saying that you shouldn't, and we want to hear every user's opinion. But, understand that you don't dictate how things are done. State your opinion and let it go. When you just keep harping on it and making demands about how things are run, you are stepping over the bounds of what your place is in the bigger picture. Absolutely have an opinion, but present it appropriately.
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@anonymous said:
I think your upset because your paying the bills to keep this place running and having images means increased cost to you.
No, that is honestly not the issue at all. That might become the issue someday, of course. But right now it is no issue at all. The issues are around system management and being prepared for long term growth and supportability.
The top thing we need right now, in regards to this issue, is the Cloud Files plugin to be updated to work with the current platform. I'm going to look into that, hopefully it is something that I can get working.
Honestly this has been a good discussion because it highighted a few things like performance issues that we had not seen and concerns around the perception of the image hosting company that we had chosen to use. Those aren't cost items, there is cost involved but it is minor. Bigger issues are getting everything to run smoothly and reliably.
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The big reasons that we don't want to use local image storage is because it causes issues with things like clustering. If we have a cluster of, say, five application servers they will need access to the same images, basically instantly, all of the time. That means we have to copy them to those machines or share them in complex ways with NFS or something else. We don't have an infrastructure to do that efficiently and should not, it's just not our wheelhouse.
So offloading that to someone who is especially good at it, like Rackspace which leverages Akamai is a big deal. No issue paying for that, and we are, it's just getting it all to work smoothly. We want static image handling to be separated from the application processing architecture to allow for fluid growth with the intent of handling very large traffic.
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@anonymous said:
@Minion-Queen said:
While I love discussion around here please remember something. This is a company.
Niagara Technology Group you mean?
She means Grove Social.
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@anonymous said:
@Minion-Queen said:
While I love discussion around here please remember something. This is a company.
Niagara Technology Group you mean?
100% disassociated with NTG. Some of the same players; different company altogether.
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No It's not NTG at all! Yes I am part of NTG but I am only an employee. GroveSocial/MangoLassi is separate. This is my company.
I of course hired NTG to handle all the infrastructure stuff. I have no idea how to do that.
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@anonymous said:
Take it from someone that had a $1500 bandwidth bill, and had to work 3 jobs all summer long to pay the bill off
Probably the topic for another thread but... how the heck did that happen?
Trust me, we are costing companies pennies and in most cases providing them revenue as well.
And what we host, people are free to hotlink. We make no limitation there.
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@art_of_shred said:
@anonymous said:
@Minion-Queen said:
While I love discussion around here please remember something. This is a company.
Niagara Technology Group you mean?
100% disassociated with NTG. Some of the same players; different company altogether.
It's confusing here because I'm here in an NTG capacity handling the infrastructure as GS hires NTG to do that and I'm the one that does that from NTG. That causes the big confusion.
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Am I going nuts @JaredBusch or are we seeing the "post that won't leave the bottom" issue that we saw several weeks ago?
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@anonymous said:
All I am requesting it that we don't use images from other sites, as we are using there bandwidth, and that's not fair or the right thing to do.
I don't agree that it isn't fair or right, however I agree and have relayed to Danielle that there is an important perception there regardless and that for that reason, and for control of content and performance, working hard to get everything that we use reasonably over to Cloud Files where we get the best performance, insight and control for the long term. So we are working towards what I believe to be what you want.
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@anonymous said:
@scottalanmiller said:
It's confusing here because I'm here in an NTG capacity handling the infrastructure as GS hires NTG to do that and I'm the one that does that from NTG. That causes the big confusion.
No, it's confusing because the New York State Department of State has no business registered for GroveSocial
They would not have NTG either as NTG is a Delaware company, which is where most companies register in the US. Registering in NY would be weird, even for companies HQ'd there.
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@anonymous Not a NY company. Why would I do that? That would be crazy. Our tax paperwork is in process as we are expanding and moving things around.
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@anonymous said:
@scottalanmiller said:
It's confusing here because I'm here in an NTG capacity handling the infrastructure as GS hires NTG to do that and I'm the one that does that from NTG. That causes the big confusion.
No, it's confusing because the New York State Department of State has no listing for GroveSocial
...cause it's not a NYS based company.
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@anonymous weird, have never seen that. I suppose that is because NTG does business in the state. ML does not.
