EATON AMA
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@MattSpeller - My take:
Lithium based technologies are great, but who knows how soon they'll come down in price. They're still expensive, many lithium technologies are flammable, and transportation and shipping are becoming more difficult.
There are many 10-year outlooks ahead. The good news is that batteries and energy storage have global research focus from both industry and governments. This should mean the industry will see some major changes in the years to come.
We're really proud of our Intelligent Power Manager (IPM) software. It continues to change the game about how power interacts with IT. We're the first to integrate with virtualization platforms to help manage the virtualization space rather than the physical server alone. We've loved the response from users in the community using these powerful tools and we will continue to provide more benefits in the months to come. Eaton.com/virtualization
The core of our business isn't necessarily power supplies, but power management, a true statement whether it's fuel deliver systems for airplanes, superchargers for top vehicle performance, or UPSs and distribution for datacenters and IT closets. ATX, pro-sumer power supplies are a little out of our focus. We want to position ourselves with products that can improve functionality and interaction for companies that make business happen.
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@Nic The home battery market...
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I think Tesla's play is more on how to re-purpose used automotive batteries, which is still a good thing. The Powerwall is a great step forward for the Grid, but there are a lot barriers to make this an attractive market outside of California and Hawaii.
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Prosumer market is a tough one. More consumers are shifting to laptops, and far less dependent on peripherals like printers or dedicated monitors these days. That brings to mind the question, why need a battery for basic home use? For people running dedicated servers at home, we certainly have the technology at the right price to keep you up and running. I think the prosumer market has been moving away from battery backup for a while and will continue to do so as technology advances.
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@art_of_shred, Well said!
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@mdecamp said:
@IRJ Very comparable when it comes to price and functionality. We do offer a 3-year warranty that covers the entire UPS and the battery: http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/3S.aspx?cx=3
Typical desktop models:
Eaton 3S: http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/3S.aspx?cx=3
Eaton 5S: http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/5S.aspx?cx=3The 5S has a nice LCD screen.
We just had a 2.5 hour outage yesterday and I hadn't replaced my desktop UPS yet. I'm ordering this right now (Amazon has it for $200 for the 1500 model.. awesome price!)
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@BRRABill said:
Could you give some details, say, in the difference between the 5S1500 and the 5P1500 that might sway a person either way?
Just throwing this back up there in case it was missed...
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@windso said:
@Nic The home battery market...
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I think Tesla's play is more on how to re-purpose used automotive batteries, which is still a good thing. The Powerwall is a great step forward for the Grid, but there are a lot barriers to make this an attractive market outside of California and Hawaii.
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Prosumer market is a tough one. More consumers are shifting to laptops, and far less dependent on peripherals like printers or dedicated monitors these days. That brings to mind the question, why need a battery for basic home use? For people running dedicated servers at home, we certainly have the technology at the right price to keep you up and running. I think the prosumer market has been moving away from battery backup for a while and will continue to do so as technology advances.
Thanks - good answers. For #2, my main needs would be for brief outages or blips. It's nice not to have to worry about data corruption on my desktop/media server from a sudden power drop, plus being able to keep on using my equipment during a a short outage. The other need I have developed in my old age is a CPAP machine. If there's an overnight outage due to weather then I'm guaranteed a bad night's sleep. There are some products specializing in the market for CPAP machines, but I figured it might be nice to have one solution for everything that requires power in my house. Plus the specialized CPAP backup batteries seem overpriced for what they provide. Sounds like I'd just want to look at one of your pro models then.
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@Dashrender said:
@mdecamp said:
@IRJ Very comparable when it comes to price and functionality. We do offer a 3-year warranty that covers the entire UPS and the battery: http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/3S.aspx?cx=3
Typical desktop models:
Eaton 3S: http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/3S.aspx?cx=3
Eaton 5S: http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/5S.aspx?cx=3The 5S has a nice LCD screen.
We just had a 2.5 hour outage yesterday and I hadn't replaced my desktop UPS yet. I'm ordering this right now (Amazon has it for $200 for the 1500 model.. awesome price!)
What good timing!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@mdecamp said:
@IRJ Very comparable when it comes to price and functionality. We do offer a 3-year warranty that covers the entire UPS and the battery: http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/3S.aspx?cx=3
Typical desktop models:
Eaton 3S: http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/3S.aspx?cx=3
Eaton 5S: http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/5S.aspx?cx=3The 5S has a nice LCD screen.
We just had a 2.5 hour outage yesterday and I hadn't replaced my desktop UPS yet. I'm ordering this right now (Amazon has it for $200 for the 1500 model.. awesome price!)
What good timing!
Only way it could have been better is if he got it BEFORE th power outage, lol.
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@Dashrender said:
We just had a 2.5 hour outage yesterday and I hadn't replaced my desktop UPS yet. I'm ordering this right now (Amazon has it for $200 for the 1500 model.. awesome price!)
CDW (who we buy from) is even cheaper, and according to this AMA they'll give you credit for trade-in!
If I decide from the next 2 hours of answers from Eaton that the 5S is going to be OK for my new server, I'll be placing an order as well today!
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@BRRABill said:
CDW (who we buy from) is even cheaper, and according to this AMA they'll give you credit for trade-in!
Though shipping isn't free.
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If I have a physical machine running 4 VMs, how does shutdown of those individual VMs work?
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@BRRABill What VM platform?
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@BRRABill said:
If I have a physical machine running 4 VMs, how does shutdown of those individual VMs work?
How would it normally work? Signal over the network. You can treat them as physical if you want.
Or you can make the platform handle it and deal with it however the hypervisor is told to deal with it.
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@BRRABill said:
CDW (who we buy from) is even cheaper, and according to this AMA they'll give you credit for trade-in!
Yeah, they are more with shipping, but that doesn't include the trade-in program.
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@BRRABill said:
@windso said:
Are you using SCVMM?
No
Well nuts. I HATE giving this answer, but it depends on what you want to accomplish. Page 3 of our HyperV manual covers the details of what is possible and how. Without SCVMM a lot of the advanced functionality is not possible.
http://pqsoftware.eaton.com/install/win32/ipp/IPP_How_to_Hyper_V_R1R2_env.pdf
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@windso said:
Well nuts. I HATE giving this answer, but it depends on what you want to accomplish. Page 3 of our HyperV manual covers the details of what is possible and how. With SCVMM a lot of the advanced functionality is not possible.
http://pqsoftware.eaton.com/install/win32/ipp/IPP_How_to_Hyper_V_R1R2_env.pdf
That's a good enough explanation for me.
Thanks.
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BTW:
One other suggestion might be in addition to MSRPs on other things, to get some more concrete info on the trade-in program.
A link to your website, that says to contact your reseller, that in turn says they have to contact you is a bit kludgy.
If there were more specific details on your site, it might sway people who are on the edge.
