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    Should I take the same money to go back to the same job?

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      scottalanmiller
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      Have beers with them, go to karaoke... don't work for them until they decide you are worth treating as a professional.

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        JaredBusch @Joy
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        @Joy said:

        Sorry i was referring for the Old apartment that i been lived before in the province.
        right now the commute should be 5 to 10 mins only but sometimes it will take 30 t0 45 mins due to traffic

        Ok, now this is more clear.

        You could commute from home and have lower living expenses, but that is 3 hours one way.
        You have opted for bed space knowing it is higher living expenses, but much closer to work with only 15 minutes of commute time.

        So this part of things is how much does the higher cost of living affect your goals for income?

        Determine that and then you will be able to begin to determine how much more they would be required to offer you in order for you to take a job again with your prior employer.

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          Dashrender
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          I agree with Jarad.
          You don't have to be paid as much as you are being paid at the city job to consider taking the province job. But using simple numbers.. let's say you make 100 more a week in the city job, but it costs you 30 in rent more for the city job. In that case you're actually only making 70 more than the old job. Plus there is value in the fact that you'll be at home every night, and not just on weekends.

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            Joy @JaredBusch
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            @JaredBusch said:

            @Joy said:

            Sorry i was referring for the Old apartment that i been lived before in the province.
            right now the commute should be 5 to 10 mins only but sometimes it will take 30 t0 45 mins due to traffic

            Ok, now this is more clear.

            You could commute from home and have lower living expenses, but that is 3 hours one way.
            =Yes, and most of the time traffic is really worst

            You have opted for bed space knowing it is higher living expenses, but much closer to work with only 15 minutes of commute time.
            =True,

            So this part of things is how much does the higher cost of living affect your goals for income?

            =Yes, I was thinking additional about the tax

            Determine that and then you will be able to begin to determine how much more they would be required to offer you in order for you to take a job again with your prior employer.

            = I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities

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              StrongBad @Joy
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              @Joy said:

              = I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities

              Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.

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                Joy @StrongBad
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                @StrongBad said:

                @Joy said:

                = I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities

                Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.

                Hmm okay I'll do that just in case they will ask me again.
                I need to Weigh my decision

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                  StrongBad @Joy
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                  @Joy said:

                  @StrongBad said:

                  @Joy said:

                  = I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities

                  Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.

                  Hmm okay I'll do that just in case they will ask me again.
                  I need to weight my decision making .

                  No need to wait for them. Determine the amount that you want for the job and make an offer to them. You are the driver here.

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                    Dashrender @StrongBad
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                    @StrongBad said:

                    @Joy said:

                    @StrongBad said:

                    @Joy said:

                    = I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities

                    Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.

                    Hmm okay I'll do that just in case they will ask me again.
                    I need to weight my decision making .

                    No need to wait for them. Determine the amount that you want for the job and make an offer to them. You are the driver here.

                    That's true, if you want to work there again - I'd call them back and make them the offer you want. You could even let them know that you're genuinely interested in working there again, but that your experience at this point now provides the requirement of this higher level of pay.

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                      StrongBad @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said:

                      @StrongBad said:

                      @Joy said:

                      @StrongBad said:

                      @Joy said:

                      = I already asked them about it, They said same money, same responsibilities

                      Don't ask, tell. This is not for them to decide. They need you, you don't want them. You tell them what your numbers are and end it at that. Don't let them make any decision except to accept your offer or not. This is not something for you to let them control. The power is yours unless you give it up.

                      Hmm okay I'll do that just in case they will ask me again.
                      I need to weight my decision making .

                      No need to wait for them. Determine the amount that you want for the job and make an offer to them. You are the driver here.

                      That's true, if you want to work there again - I'd call them back and make them the offer you want. You could even let them know that you're genuinely interested in working there again, but that your experience at this point now provides the requirement of this higher level of pay.

                      If you are going to start stating reasons, you could also mention that you are currently employed and happy, all of the benefits that you are getting, your career growth and point out that going to them is you doing them a favor. Companies like to act like they are doing you a favor by giving you a job. But that is not at all the case here. You are completely doing them a favor to help them out. You should not be doing them a favor by stepping backwards in your career as well.

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                        NetworkNerd
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                        I did not see anyone throw out the option of just doing some consulting work on a part-time basis for the old company. Is that possible as a temporary option? Tell them you will work X hours at your desired rate (remotely, of course), and give them a specific time period for which you will consult. So to some degree it would help both parties as long as you feel you will not jeopardize meeting your responsibilities at your current job. The old place may want someone full time, but you would at least be making an effort to help.

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                          scottalanmiller
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                          I suspect that few full time jobs there would allow moonlighting. Work contracts tend to be pretty strict.

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                            Carnival Boy
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                            I don't think I've ever had a contract that prohibits moonlighting.

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                              scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
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                              @Carnival-Boy said:

                              I don't think I've ever had a contract that prohibits moonlighting.

                              I certainly have. Nearly any salary job in the US does so sort of by default because salary implies "full time" meaning your time is not your own. You get time "not working" but not "working for someone else." The implication is that all of your paid-for brain power belongs to the company paying the salary and if you are doing work for someone else while on salary that you are stealing from the company that is willing to pay the premium salary for you to either be working for them or "relaxing."

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                                scottalanmiller
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                                An hourly job effectively cannot stop you from moonlighting in the US because the moment you are not being paid they have no say over what you do. The moment that they have say, they owe you income. So there are different approaches with different thoughts behind them.

                                Of course, much of anything comes down to the local judge and how they choose to view the social or even written contract. But nearly any salaried job I've seen is explicit in that you cannot do anything paid outside of work unless approved. Even volunteer stuff is sometimes a grey area (but never seen a company complain about that.)

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                                  Dashrender
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                                  Wow, interesting take, and one I've never seen or heard of before.

                                  I'll grant you that in my current position, moving from a one man MSP to a full time employee, my new job granted me the privilege to continue supporting my old clients as long as it didn't interfere with my duties at the new employer. This was further explained, if my employer and an old client were both having an outage situation at the same time, my new employer took precedence. For 8 years this has worked pretty well.

                                  I have an associate who does something similar. He works full time for another big company (Conagra). He's salary there full time, M-F 8-5. He works a near half time at night for a clinic in town, working M-F 6-10.

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                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender lots of good companies work that way. But many do not. And many leave it to individual managers to "look the other way." Nearly anywhere I've worked that is salary includes a contract stipulation that anything you create during your term of employment belongs to them - which would include intellectual property that you do while at another job creating an obvious conflict of interest.

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                                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      @Dashrender lots of good companies work that way. But many do not. And many leave it to individual managers to "look the other way." Nearly anywhere I've worked that is salary includes a contract stipulation that anything you create during your term of employment belongs to them - which would include intellectual property that you do while at another job creating an obvious conflict of interest.

                                      I'm guessing that stipulations like that would mostly come into play when you're earning 80K+, but that of course wouldn't be exclusively so. And frankly even at 80K I could consider this an unfair requirement. Now 150K or 200+, different story...

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                                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        I'm guessing that stipulations like that would mostly come into play when you're earning 80K+, but that of course wouldn't be exclusively so. And frankly even at 80K I could consider this an unfair requirement. Now 150K or 200+, different story...

                                        Only so unfair. People making $80K are just as likely to go invent something cool and new using the brain power that the customer is paying for.

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                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          Customer being the employer, in this case. Odd term to use there on my part.

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                                            Dashrender
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                                            Yeah, this is where some universities are screwing their students over by claiming the rights of invention while students are enrolled there.

                                            I suppose an employee of a company owes anything created that's easily understood to be in the realm that that company is doing as belonging to the employer, but if it's outside of that, it should be the employees, not the employers.

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