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    • StrongBadS
      StrongBad @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender said:

      Sure it could, hopefully if you're SSH instead of NFS you're using a dedicated account for the SSH, not the same as the user itself.

      But you have to store the key or password somewhere which poses a risk if the system is compromised.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @StrongBad
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        @StrongBad said:

        @Dashrender said:

        Sure it could, hopefully if you're SSH instead of NFS you're using a dedicated account for the SSH, not the same as the user itself.

        But you have to store the key or password somewhere which poses a risk if the system is compromised.

        True, but hopefully you aren't just surfing around on your backup server, so it's chances of being compromised is low.

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        • StrongBadS
          StrongBad @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @Dashrender said:

          True, but hopefully you aren't just surfing around on your backup server, so it's chances of being compromised is low.

          Assuming he is doing backups from a backup server. Using RSnapShot suggests that he is backing up from the server in question directly.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender
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            Is remote backup something that is even an option in Linux? it probably is, but I have to ask.
            And I'm not talking about just a file level backup, I'm talking system level or block level.

            Oh and I'm referring to a free tool - I know Unitrends can do this (is there an agent involved for Linux?)

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said:

              Is remote backup something that is even an option in Linux? it probably is, but I have to ask.
              And I'm not talking about just a file level backup, I'm talking system level or block level.

              Oh and I'm referring to a free tool - I know Unitrends can do this (is there an agent involved for Linux?)

              What do you mean by remote backups? You just take a snapshot and send it wherever you want. Is that what you mean? If so, every one else's ability to do this is pretty much based on Linux from long ago.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                If I understand what you are asking... you just take a normal system image on Linux. And use Rsync or whatever tool you want to place it remotely.

                Unitrends cannot do this for Linux, only VMware, HyperV and XenServer guests. StorageCraft can do this with an agent. But it is a normal feature of Linux.

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                • StrongBadS
                  StrongBad @Dashrender
                  last edited by

                  @Dashrender said:

                  And I'm not talking about just a file level backup, I'm talking system level or block level.

                  LVM Snaps, RSnapShot, ZFS... lots of options on Linux.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    My question is more about how to you backup a bare metal Linux install while not using a SSH/NFS mount point.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                      last edited by

                      @Dashrender said:

                      My question is more about how to you backup a bare metal Linux install while not using a SSH/NFS mount point.

                      Is that really your question? That sounds like a proximate question. What is the goal question?

                      My guess is you want to decouple storage and wondering how to do that.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @Dashrender said:

                        My question is more about how to you backup a bare metal Linux install while not using a SSH/NFS mount point.

                        Is that really your question? That sounds like a proximate question. What is the goal question?

                        My guess is you want to decouple storage and wondering how to do that.

                        Yes decoupled storage.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender said:

                          Yes decoupled storage.

                          No system, including Windows, Unitrends, etc. can do this from the system. Pushing backups out whether from the OS or from an agent means that the source system controls access to the resulting storage. It is only a remote system, like the Unitrends server, that can take the resulting storage and make it inaccessible to the clients that allows decoupling. You must have remote logic and control to decouple. It's impossible for Windows, Linux, Mac, etc. to have decoupled storage directly because their ability to control the storage that they use is what makes it coupled.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            Right, I was assuming exactly that. So, is there an open source/free solution that allows this for Linux?

                            On the Windows side we have the free version of Unitrends and Veeam for VMs, but I'm not sure of one for bare metal.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said:

                              Right, I was assuming exactly that. So, is there an open source/free solution that allows this for Linux?

                              You can do it with just a script. It just requires doing the work from a remote machine and decoupling the accounts and access.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender said:

                                On the Windows side we have the free version of Unitrends and Veeam for VMs, but I'm not sure of one for bare metal.

                                Those can become coupled if you share accounts. So it is not a panacea.

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