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    Where to find "best practice" for any given IT scenario

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
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      @Carnival-Boy said:

      @Dashrender said:

      I can see Scott in the corner right now doing the math (or just posting a link to where he's already done the math).

      Cool. Facts are important here. A failure probability of 0.001% is 100 times higher than 0.00001%, so on that grounds it is an order of magnitude less reliable. But both are such tiny numbers that they could be ignored. That's where 'slightly' more reliable would also apply.

      Easy way to think of it is.... RAID 10 you should expect to go a lifetime without hearing about anyone who has ever had this issue. RAID 5 you should expect multiple complete failures in your career.

      RAID 10 failure rates are less than 1 in 80,000 array years. RAID 5 is closer to 1 in 20.

      There are so many factors that go into this from drives being more likely to fail, longer time for rebuilds, risk during rebuild, rebuild causing other drives to fail, risk of memory issues, etc.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        Based on using the different RAID types, of course.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
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          Trying to eyeball the math, at 3.3TB of usable data, that RAID 5 array would fail way over 50% of the time with consumer class drives (like Red Pro.) So enterprise drives (like RE) which are 10x more reliable in regards to URE we would expect rebuilt risk from URE alone to be 5% or higher.

          That is a one in twenty chance that the RAID 5 array would lose all of its data. This does not take into account secondary drive failure risk which is pretty big as well.

          I would not put a one in twenty or maybe one in ten chance of failure on the same playing field as "so reliable no study can measure it completely." RAID 10 failures at 80,000 array years was only the known healthy rate, all that is know is that it is more reliable than that. Zero failures at 80,000 array years!

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          • C
            Carnival Boy
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            OK, RAID 5 isn't best practice. That's a relatively easy one. Give me some more examples where the term "best practice" might apply. I'm not convinced the term is that meaningful.

            I'm having an extension built on my house at the moment, and I hear the term used quite a bit by my builders. There's building regulations that are legally required and there's ones that are best practice. For example, a shaver point should be located at least 30cm from the sink. That's not a legal requirement, but it's best practice. Smoke detectors should be mains powered not battery powered. Again, that's best practice rather than a legal requirement. These practices are pretty formal though - either by the manufacturer, or by the building regulators. I don't see much equivalence in the IT industry (sadly, as it would be super useful).

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              Best Practice: If data is valuable enough to be stored, it should be backed up.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
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                @Carnival-Boy said:

                OK, RAID 5 isn't best practice. That's a relatively easy one.

                Actually it is a hard one, while it is a well documented best practice among storage experts, the industry as a whole lacks that expertise and pushes it heavily.

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                  Carnival Boy
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                  It's an easy one for anyone who hangs around the same forums you do 🙂

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    Another best practice: virtualize every workload (unless it is impossible to do so)

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                    • dafyreD
                      dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      Another best practice: virtualize every workload (unless it is impossible to do so)

                      What are some workloads it would be impossible to virtualize? With the exception of real-time, ulta-low latency requirements, I cannot think of anything.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                        @dafyre said:

                        What are some workloads it would be impossible to virtualize? With the exception of real-time, ulta-low latency requirements, I cannot think of anything.

                        Those and ones with very specific hardware requirements either technically or politically. That's about it. It is rare enough that it is effective to just say "never".

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                        • C
                          Carnival Boy
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                          Workloads that you can't get working virtualised for whatever reason. I couldn't get Hamachi to work virtualised. Googling suggested a common problem with Hamachi not liking the VMware network drivers or something.

                          I've virtualised our firewall. I wonder if there's an argument that says I shouldn't because it means I have a hypervisor on a public facing host. Maybe? I dunno, could that be a security risk? It's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
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                            @Carnival-Boy said:

                            I've virtualised our firewall. I wonder if there's an argument that says I shouldn't because it means I have a hypervisor on a public facing host. Maybe? I dunno, could that be a security risk? It's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over.

                            You can virtualize that without exposing the hypervisor in any way.

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                              Carnival Boy
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                              That's what I figured. I suppose I was wondering about accidentally exposing the hypervisor through human error.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
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                                @Carnival-Boy said:

                                That's what I figured. I suppose I was wondering about accidentally exposing the hypervisor through human error.

                                Always a risk, but pretty easily addresses as long as people are aware.

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                                • dafyreD
                                  dafyre @Carnival Boy
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                                  @Carnival-Boy said:

                                  Workloads that you can't get working virtualised for whatever reason. I couldn't get Hamachi to work virtualised. Googling suggested a common problem with Hamachi not liking the VMware network drivers or something.

                                  I've virtualised our firewall. I wonder if there's an argument that says I shouldn't because it means I have a hypervisor on a public facing host. Maybe? I dunno, could that be a security risk? It's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over.

                                  How do you virtualize the Firewall without exposing the underlying hypervisor? By making sure that there is not an IP address assigned to the actual host on the interface that connects to the WAN?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                                    @dafyre said:

                                    @Carnival-Boy said:

                                    Workloads that you can't get working virtualised for whatever reason. I couldn't get Hamachi to work virtualised. Googling suggested a common problem with Hamachi not liking the VMware network drivers or something.

                                    I've virtualised our firewall. I wonder if there's an argument that says I shouldn't because it means I have a hypervisor on a public facing host. Maybe? I dunno, could that be a security risk? It's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over.

                                    How do you virtualize the Firewall without exposing the underlying hypervisor? By making sure that there is not an IP address assigned to the actual host on the interface that connects to the WAN?

                                    Have the hypervisor exposed on a different physical adapter that is not on the WAN network side.

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