Can anyone recommend a job for me?
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@jamesrudnik said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Just a career FYI, everyone wants to be a security person and effectively there are no jobs in that field and what few there are don't plan to be that and fall into it late in their careers. Don't plan for a security job, that field, if you can even call it that, is dramatically over saturated.
I wasn't aware of that. I was on ONET around the brginning of September and it said it had a bright outlook and that there would be a large amount of jobs opening. Thanks for the info then
There have been groups saying that a large number of security jobs are going to be opening for the last decade or more. I haven't seen any new ones. My friend is a "security" guy. He contracts with a bunch of 3 letter agencies. It took him the past decade to get into the field and he more fell into it then anything else.
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Everyone says that, but never IT people. It's the hot new term that non-technical people understand so it gets repeated constantly. They assume it's a cool, needed job and so it seems reasonable to repeat even though they aren't sure what that job would do.
Will there be more openings in the futures? Sure. Is every person interested in IT trying to get those jobs? Yes. So the ratio of available jobs is the worst of any tech job category.
Once teachers and professors start talking about a job it is time to avoid it.
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@coliver said:
@jamesrudnik said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Just a career FYI, everyone wants to be a security person and effectively there are no jobs in that field and what few there are don't plan to be that and fall into it late in their careers. Don't plan for a security job, that field, if you can even call it that, is dramatically over saturated.
I wasn't aware of that. I was on ONET around the brginning of September and it said it had a bright outlook and that there would be a large amount of jobs opening. Thanks for the info then
There have been groups saying that a large number of security jobs are going to be opening for the last decade or more. I haven't seen any new ones. My friend is a "security" guy. He contracts with a bunch of 3 letter agencies. It took him the past decade to get into the field and he more fell into it then anything else.
We have several people in the community here who have been offered six and seven figure security gigs. None of us because of security training. All just because of general experience. I've worked in a lot of industries, some more into security than the three letter agencies, and the security people are few and far between.
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Oh wow. I guess when you mention the ratio and all that it does make sense. I may look into it further down the road but as it stands now, with my experience, I won't be able to come close to Security admin for a while.
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@jamesrudnik said:
Oh wow. I guess when you mention the ratio and all that it does make sense. I may look into it further down the road but as it stands now, with my experience, I won't be able to come close to Security admin for a while.
Assume even talking about those jobs is ten years out.
A handy life lesson is that any job being promoted by people who are not in the field and successful in it are jobs you do not want. It means that something has hit the "Hollywood" line and now uneducated and clueless people are talking about it. Girls tend to be affected by this tons more than boys for whatever reason, but everyone is affected. What happens is that a career either becomes "cool" enough or, more often, an easily understood field ends up short on people in it resulting in empty positions and high salaries. People who don't understand the economy like high school teachers especially (and parents) see news items or hear rumours that there aren't enough teachers, nurses, security professionals and then, overnight, they start to push everyone and anyone into that field with promises of unlimited job options, high salary, low education requirements, etc.
Of course, almost overnight colleges go from empty nursing classes to full ones and instead of a field that was 5% short on filling the needed jobs it is now 100% over stocked and half of all trained nurses have nowhere to work. So to make themselves eligible for work, they go back to school costing themselves more money and "upping the ante" for everyone. Soon it takes a Master's Degree and massive personal debt to get into a job that didn't require a degree at all ten years before and instead of making big money the pay is pretty bad because there is always someone else willing to do your job for less since otherwise they are out of work.
So think about the context of who is promoting jobs. Teachers have never worked in the field, their input is nearly the worst that you can get.
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You bring up a very valid point. It makes a lot of sense when put that way
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Conversely, the jobs that teachers steer everyone away from are the ones that will naturally be good to work in. Schools and universities have told people not to go into IT for years, and IT can't hire enough people driving the prices higher and making jobs easier to get. Sadly this has left us with a field that is constantly hiring people who can't do the jobs at all, but the people who really can get rewarded significantly.
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Yeah. I understand completely. I find it kind of funny when I run across someone who has "been in the business for years" and I know just as much if not more than them because they really have no idea what they are doing.
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@jamesrudnik Every IT person who has "been in the business for years" that is actually good at IT... unfortunately will work with or know at least one (if not several) people that are in IT who have no business being in IT... * shudder *
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@dafyre said:
@jamesrudnik Every IT person who has "been in the business for years" that is actually good at IT... unfortunately will work with or know at least one (if not several) people that are in IT who have no business being in IT... * shudder *
Very true.
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@jamesrudnik said:
Yeah. I understand completely. I find it kind of funny when I run across someone who has "been in the business for years" and I know just as much if not more than them because they really have no idea what they are doing.
When I was thirteen I was brought in as an intern to a Fortune 20 company because their consulting company couldn't do the work that I did. They lost their contract because I was able to do the work that they claimed was impossible. Welcome to IT
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@scottalanmiller It is for that reason that I never say something is impossible. If I can't come up with a good way to do something, then I'll say "I don't know, let me ask some other folks" and see what everybody else has done in my situation...
