What did you have for lunch or dinner today?

The question is, do you pronounce it as though it's roughly Spanish or pronounce it like a daft Englishman and say "pie-ela", maybe with their "taycos" and "hherbs"

scottalanmiller

@tonyshowoff said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@xisco said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

I had "paella" for lunch

The question is, do you pronounce it as though it's roughly Spanish or pronounce it like a daft Englishman and say "pie-ela", maybe with their "taycos" and "hherbs"

I've never heard it said with an L before. In the US it is common enough that I think people know what it is called, even if they don't know why.

jmoore

@scottalanmiller I have, unfortunately. Just like in Kentucky, the town of Versailles is always called Versales. People should know better.

scottalanmiller

@jmoore said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@scottalanmiller I have, unfortunately. Just like in Kentucky, the town of Versailles is always called Versales. People should know better.

That's because that's the local name, though. That's different. Paella is always paella because it is not a local name. But if you made the city of Paella, Kentucky and they pronounced the town pay-ella, that would be correct, but eating paella there would be eating "pie-aya" in "pay-ella".

tonyshowoff

@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@jmoore said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@scottalanmiller I have, unfortunately. Just like in Kentucky, the town of Versailles is always called Versales. People should know better.

That's because that's the local name, though. That's different. Paella is always paella because it is not a local name. But if you made the city of Paella, Kentucky and they pronounced the town pay-ella, that would be correct, but eating paella there would be eating "pie-aya" in "pay-ella".

Most British people pronounce it with L instead of Y sound, sort of like how they pronounce the H in Herbs. Even though they're only some 30 km or whatever from Spain and France. 90% of all Spanish speakers pronounce LL like the semi-vowel "Y" (or J if you are familiar with and of most languages other than English and French), exceptions are Spanish in Chile which in some cases does pronounce it like an L, and some other small areas of South America that pronounce it like ZH weirdly, and parts of Spanish speaking in the Philippines. It's ironic too because some Brits also go out of their way to use the non-Catalan pronunciation of Barcelona (like Barthelona).

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tonyshowoff

@jmoore said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@scottalanmiller I have, unfortunately. Just like in Kentucky, the town of Versailles is always called Versales. People should know better.

Once when looking at a map of Connecticut with someone from Connecticut, I pointed out Versailles saying something like "Maybe if we go through Versai", and he said "What?", I repeated it pointing specifically at the name, and he said "Oh, it's pronounced Versales." I just said "Yeah, I don't think so."

I ran into a very similar problem in Kansas, there's several places pronounced strangely, like El Dorado, they pronounce "El Doraydo" and will constantly incorrect you if you pronounce it correctly. And there's an area of Wichita called Delano, as in Franklin Delano Roosevelt. You guessed it, how everyone else in the world says it is wrong, it's "Duh-layno"

Then again there's a lot about Kansas I don't understand, like how the highways have the most inexplicably short merging lanes where people slam on brakes, every time I've driven into Kansas from another state the first thing I've noticed is the long lines to exit because of merging lanes, on top of they put stop lights at the top of cloverleaf interchanges to make sure that you are able to defeat the entire purpose of them existing, not to mention the merge lines on those tend to be no more than a car length or two.

In addition to... people stop and begin to turn without being in turning lanes, or stop abruptly and turn into parking lots from roads as slow as humanly possible as though the street will explode if they go over 1mph. And instead of saying "You're welcome" they just say "Yeah" or "Uh-Huh". One weirder thing I noticed is a strange number of people, but by no means even a majority, but a small enough minority to where it stands out to me, when they say Good bye on the phone, and only the phone, they'll say "mmmm bye"... a lot of sex shops next door to churches. One way signs pointing two different directions when there's a median, this one is just needlessly stupid.

And finally the belief that everyone in almost every state has: the weather changes so much if you just wait 5 minutes it'll be different, that's what makes our state unique even though almost every other damn state says that.

jmoore

@tonyshowoff Right! To all of that. I don't care if its a local pronunciation or not, if its obviously a word from a different language then respect that language and don't look like an idiot.

scotth

@tonyshowoff ... "You're welcome" they just say "Yeah" or "Uh-Huh". One weirder thing I noticed is a strange number of people, but by no means even a majority, but a small enough minority to where it stands out to me, when they say Good bye on the phone, and only the phone, they'll say "mmmm bye"...

Western Pa

or yup, later, seeya

You'll find this a lot here too. Yinz isn't the only idiosyncrasy.

scottalanmiller

@tonyshowoff keep in mind the entire state of Kansas is named the same thing as the state of Arkansas but mispronounced! Being unable to pronounce their own names is the basis for their identity!

scottalanmiller

@tonyshowoff said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

And finally the belief that everyone in almost every state has: the weather changes so much if you just wait 5 minutes it'll be different, that's what makes our state unique even though almost every other damn state says that.

LOL, it is SO true. EVERY state says that. Even the ones where the weather is totally predictable and rarely changes.

Surprise people... when you get rain, it comes right after there not-being rain. That's how we keep it from not raining 24x7x365!

scottalanmiller

@jmoore said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@tonyshowoff Right! To all of that. I don't care if its a local pronunciation or not, if its obviously a word from a different language then respect that language and don't look like an idiot.

I'm from Covington, NY where we mispronounced our own language!

Actually that may not be true. Studies show that American English is closer to the English at the time of the establishment of the colonies than British English is, by quite a margin. And many things that we say that don't sound like "proper English" are actually us keeping the language more stable while Britain went off and developed new ways to say things recently.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@jmoore said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@tonyshowoff Right! To all of that. I don't care if its a local pronunciation or not, if its obviously a word from a different language then respect that language and don't look like an idiot.

I'm from Covington, NY where we mispronounced our own language!

Actually that may not be true. Studies show that American English is closer to the English at the time of the establishment of the colonies than British English is, by quite a margin. And many things that we say that don't sound like "proper English" are actually us keeping the language more stable while Britain went off and developed new ways to say things recently.

How do you record something like that? phonic diagrams?

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@jmoore said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:

@tonyshowoff Right! To all of that. I don't care if its a local pronunciation or not, if its obviously a word from a different language then respect that language and don't look like an idiot.

I'm from Covington, NY where we mispronounced our own language!

Actually that may not be true. Studies show that American English is closer to the English at the time of the establishment of the colonies than British English is, by quite a margin. And many things that we say that don't sound like "proper English" are actually us keeping the language more stable while Britain went off and developed new ways to say things recently.

How do you record something like that? phonic diagrams?

There is a lot of study into it. There is a bunch of science and research behind it. A lot of it comes from studying poetry and when people have written that X rhymes with Y and how that moves over time. They did the same things for Latin and have reconstructed real Latin rather than the fake Hollywood "sounds like Latin" that we are used to.

Vini Vidi Vici, for example... the V sounds like a W in Latin. But modern Latin speakers don't say that, because they are normally speaking a modern construct of Latin to sound like we "think" it should sound rather than as it did.