Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller But how easy is it for a train conductor to determine where a train goes and what track it takes?
Is it the conductors choice, or someone in an operation room somewhere?
I agree, trains would be rather difficult to stop with a large area to travel in. But compared to a ocean fairing boat (trains have a very tiny area to travel)
Trains can be derailed pretty easily. you don't need to just guard the train and it's cars, but the tracks it runs on.. There are videos of tracks washing out, a tornado derailing a trail, etc....
US Aircraft Carriers don't have the ability to deploy smaller boats IIRC. An amphibious assualt ship would be better.
The only vessels which can stay deployed for years are nuclear powered. All are limited by the ship stores of food. Water is run through the desalination plants...
Food is only an issue on an AC because they need the deck for other things. Turn that whole deck into a green house and you could feed a small city with that. Add fishing to the mix and you could have a pretty huge food supply going on.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Speaking of Walking Dead and 28 Days Later, was I the only person who was like "f'kng seriously?!" when both of them started the same way, were the writers that unoriginal?
Do they really? I've only seen 28 Days Later, not the Walking Dead.
Yeah cop wakes up in hospital from coma and everyone's gone, it's exactly the same.
How cheesy.
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I stopped watching Walking Dead after the second episode of the second season. I got tired of everyone except "bad guys" looking beautiful all the time, something that really bothers me about American TV. It's off putting because also like that show Revolution, it's been years since everything fell apart and they still look like they just came from a spa weekend? Give me a break. I'm not saying people on TV should be regular ugly people like East Enders, but if you used what they do now with say... Seinfeld, imagine if Elaine looked like <insert modern beautiful woman> it'd throw everything off.
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I actually never ever saw the original episodes of "The Walking Dead".
I picked it up about halfway through the first season.
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@DustinB3403 Watch the first episode, if you've seen as many zombie films as I have, you'll spend a lot of time going "REALLY!? REALLY?! Come on!"
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 Watch the first episode, if you've seen as many zombie films as I have, you'll spend a lot of time going "REALLY!? REALLY?! Come on!"
That and the whole "none of these people have ever heard of zombies" thing is just way over the top.
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Stepping back to some fundamental items:
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Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
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Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
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@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
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Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
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Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
And they died at age 30 even without zombies.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
And they died at age 30 even without zombies.
There are some anti-vaccination people determined to return to that.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
And they died at age 30 even without zombies.
There are some anti-vaccination people determined to return to that.
I say more power to them, I don't need entitled people taking up the space I want. Let them die from SARS or Small Pox or anything else. Time and again there have been repeated studies that show and prove that vaccines don't cause autism etc.
Snopes has numerous posts about it, along with hundreds of other sites.
Listen folks, when you have to go to page 15 of google to read these kinds of thing, take a lot of salt with you!
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@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Slightly related, but did you ever notice how everyone seems to think libraries will vanish and everyone will forget how to read? It's really strange to me that this concept of collapse of civilisation always ends where everything goes extremely backward. That seems extremely unlikely now. Perhaps when the Western Roman Empire effectively fell apart, books weren't around really at all, most people couldn't read, and there weren't many examples of good engineering in regular people's every day lives, so it makes sense it'd all vanish. That now though seems so ridiculously unbelievable, I just completely lose interest when it's been 20 years since the war/attack/fallout/zombies/whatever and nobody's done anything or can do anything, they don't even know how to build simple crap anymore that cave people could build. What's more is in reality people also think that way. That's why I make physical copies of things like CD for the Third World, which teaches you how to do basic things like store water, plant food, etc.
I mean think about it, sure power is out, sure manufacturing has stopped, but come on, the only place I've ever seen anyone remember "dur, oh yeah libraries and things like wind power can be done by regular people" is in the TV show Jericho.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
And they died at age 30 even without zombies.
There are some anti-vaccination people determined to return to that.
I say more power to them, I don't need entitled people taking up the space I want. Let them die from SARS or Small Pox or anything else. Time and again there have been repeated studies that show and prove that vaccines don't cause autism etc.
Snopes has numerous posts about it, along with hundreds of other sites.
Listen folks, when you have to go to page 15 of google to read these kinds of thing, take a lot of salt with you!
Actually the small pox risk is created by the vaccers in this case, not the anti-vaccers. There are two distinct movements there that get lumped together. Or three.
There are people simply against vacs. These people are crazy. Polio, for example, heavily depends on vaccinations to protect people.
There there are "vaccination pacing people" who feel that vaccinations are good but how they are done is bad. Almost all doctors that I know are in this camp.
Then there are "chicken pox vaccinations are bad because chicken pox is what protects against small pox and acting like small pox is zero risk is bad" people. We don't vaccinate against small pox because chicken pox was so common that it protected naturally. Now we have started vaccinating against chicken pox, small pox is becoming a big risk because of the vaccinator push rather than because of the anti-vaccination group. This is basically a group of people that want a level of vaccination against small pox that you can't give with a needle but only with a full on chicken pox infection.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
And they died at age 30 even without zombies.
There are some anti-vaccination people determined to return to that.
I say more power to them, I don't need entitled people taking up the space I want. Let them die from SARS or Small Pox or anything else. Time and again there have been repeated studies that show and prove that vaccines don't cause autism etc.
Snopes has numerous posts about it, along with hundreds of other sites.
Listen folks, when you have to go to page 15 of google to read these kinds of thing, take a lot of salt with you!
Except of course people who have cancer or whatever are also at risk, I say less power to them, because they actually increase the likelihood of disease outbreaks hurting even the already vaccinated. So, you can join them in death if you want (I'm sure you don't obviously), instead I think they should all be vaccinated.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
And they died at age 30 even without zombies.
There are some anti-vaccination people determined to return to that.
I say more power to them, I don't need entitled people taking up the space I want. Let them die from SARS or Small Pox or anything else. Time and again there have been repeated studies that show and prove that vaccines don't cause autism etc.
Snopes has numerous posts about it, along with hundreds of other sites.
Listen folks, when you have to go to page 15 of google to read these kinds of thing, take a lot of salt with you!
Actually the small pox risk is created by the vaccers in this case, not the anti-vaccers. There are two distinct movements there that get lumped together. Or three.
There are people simply against vacs. These people are crazy. Polio, for example, heavily depends on vaccinations to protect people.
There there are "vaccination pacing people" who feel that vaccinations are good but how they are done is bad. Almost all doctors that I know are in this camp.
Then there are "chicken pox vaccinations are bad because chicken pox is what protects against small pox and acting like small pox is zero risk is bad" people. We don't vaccinate against small pox because chicken pox was so common that it protected naturally. Now we have started vaccinating against chicken pox, small pox is becoming a big risk because of the vaccinator push rather than because of the anti-vaccination group. This is basically a group of people that want a level of vaccination against small pox that you can't give with a needle but only with a full on chicken pox infection.
You're thinking of cow pox, not chicken pox, they won't protect you from anything except chicken pox, though it can result in shingles. So the vaccination is better. Plus smallpox was effectively wiped out anyway.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Slightly related, but did you ever notice how everyone seems to think libraries will vanish and everyone will forget how to read? It's really strange to me that this concept of collapse of civilisation always ends where everything goes extremely backward. That seems extremely unlikely now. Perhaps when the Western Roman Empire effectively fell apart, books weren't around really at all, most people couldn't read, and there weren't many examples of good engineering in regular people's every day lives, so it makes sense it'd all vanish. That now though seems so ridiculously unbelievable, I just completely lose interest when it's been 20 years since the war/attack/fallout/zombies/whatever and nobody's done anything or can do anything, they don't even know how to build simple crap anymore that cave people could build. What's more is in reality people also think that way. That's why I make physical copies of things like CD for the Third World, which teaches you how to do basic things like store water, plant food, etc.
I mean think about it, sure power is out, sure manufacturing has stopped, but come on, the only place I've ever seen anyone remember "dur, oh yeah libraries and things like wind power can be done by regular people" is in the TV show Jericho.
Good point. We would likely be able to recreate just about everything pretty quickly. It would take quite the insane level of destruction to completely stop that stuff. Sure advancement would basically stop, but maintaining existing knowledge would not be that hard. Plus we would have a big incentive for new medical and similar advances to deal with whatever new threat there was.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
And they died at age 30 even without zombies.
There are some anti-vaccination people determined to return to that.
I say more power to them, I don't need entitled people taking up the space I want. Let them die from SARS or Small Pox or anything else. Time and again there have been repeated studies that show and prove that vaccines don't cause autism etc.
Snopes has numerous posts about it, along with hundreds of other sites.
Listen folks, when you have to go to page 15 of google to read these kinds of thing, take a lot of salt with you!
Actually the small pox risk is created by the vaccers in this case, not the anti-vaccers. There are two distinct movements there that get lumped together. Or three.
There are people simply against vacs. These people are crazy. Polio, for example, heavily depends on vaccinations to protect people.
There there are "vaccination pacing people" who feel that vaccinations are good but how they are done is bad. Almost all doctors that I know are in this camp.
Then there are "chicken pox vaccinations are bad because chicken pox is what protects against small pox and acting like small pox is zero risk is bad" people. We don't vaccinate against small pox because chicken pox was so common that it protected naturally. Now we have started vaccinating against chicken pox, small pox is becoming a big risk because of the vaccinator push rather than because of the anti-vaccination group. This is basically a group of people that want a level of vaccination against small pox that you can't give with a needle but only with a full on chicken pox infection.
You're thinking of cow pox, not chicken pox, they won't protect you from anything except chicken pox, though it can result in shingles. So the vaccination is better. Plus smallpox was effectively wiped out anyway.
That's the problem... people keep saying that small pox is wiped out. But already we've had two or three recent, but thankfully limited, outbreaks caused by the gaps left by not having chicken pox.
Cow pox might do the same thing, but it is definitely chicken pox that displaced small pox in the New World by having pretty much ubiquitous infections while creating the same immunities.
The new vaccines are increasing the risk of shingles as well, which really sucks, but not too much (risk, not sucks.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@thwr said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Stepping back to some fundamental items:
-
Generating Power using combustion
** Makes noise and would draws attention.
** Requires Fuel of some kind. Petrol products 'expire' and are limited in supply.
** Requires Fuel storage - which can be a hazard and liability, and difficult to relocate. -
Generating Power using Solar
** Requires space for panels.
** Has to be 'banked' for poor solar exposure days (clouds, darkness)
** Has to be converted to run AC devices
You can generate fuel to run a generator, but it is a process - needs time, resources, and space.
There are other ways of generating electricity, using steam power; either solar based or fuel based - fuel being petrol or biomass... again - needs space and generates some noise.
Keep in mind that solar panels (photovoltaic cells) will degrade over time, same is true for the batteries. They will degrade even faster. While solar panels are OK for like 20 or 30 years, you will need to replace the batteries every 5 to 10 years. Think about your UPS for example. There are technologies that let you store power in a mechanical way, like a flywheel generator, but this may be hard to find.
So something nuclear would be better, IMHO.
Nuclear is better until.... it goes nuclear...
Rather being the dark... They did it in the olden days..
And they died at age 30 even without zombies.
There are some anti-vaccination people determined to return to that.
I say more power to them, I don't need entitled people taking up the space I want. Let them die from SARS or Small Pox or anything else. Time and again there have been repeated studies that show and prove that vaccines don't cause autism etc.
Snopes has numerous posts about it, along with hundreds of other sites.
Listen folks, when you have to go to page 15 of google to read these kinds of thing, take a lot of salt with you!
Actually the small pox risk is created by the vaccers in this case, not the anti-vaccers. There are two distinct movements there that get lumped together. Or three.
There are people simply against vacs. These people are crazy. Polio, for example, heavily depends on vaccinations to protect people.
There there are "vaccination pacing people" who feel that vaccinations are good but how they are done is bad. Almost all doctors that I know are in this camp.
Then there are "chicken pox vaccinations are bad because chicken pox is what protects against small pox and acting like small pox is zero risk is bad" people. We don't vaccinate against small pox because chicken pox was so common that it protected naturally. Now we have started vaccinating against chicken pox, small pox is becoming a big risk because of the vaccinator push rather than because of the anti-vaccination group. This is basically a group of people that want a level of vaccination against small pox that you can't give with a needle but only with a full on chicken pox infection.
You're thinking of cow pox, not chicken pox, they won't protect you from anything except chicken pox, though it can result in shingles. So the vaccination is better. Plus smallpox was effectively wiped out anyway.
That's the problem... people keep saying that small pox is wiped out. But already we've had two or three recent, but thankfully limited, outbreaks caused by the gaps left by not having chicken pox.
@scottalanmiller That's why I said effectively
Cow pox might do the same thing, but it is definitely chicken pox that displaced small pox in the New World by having pretty much ubiquitous infections while creating the same immunities.
The new vaccines are increasing the risk of shingles as well, which really sucks, but not too much (risk, not sucks.)
Chicken pox is completely unrelated and provides no immunity to small pox, it can't "displace" it. Small pox vaccinations had been common since the late 19th century, especially in the western world, that's why there weren't that many outbreaks, not because of chicken pox, because if that were the case, there never would've been small pox outbreaks in the west in the first place where chicken pox has always been prevalent.
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@scottalanmiller The general consensus that I've seen (and I don't listen to many of these people) is that all vaccines cause horrible conditions.
Now your third part sounds logical, and I'd need proof to verify it.
But a "cause" and the "Well you risk getting X if you vac against Y does exist, but Y is so many times worse than X, so you really should get the vac for Y."
like being vaccinated against chickenpox, it's a tiny issue compared to the black plague. I'd take CP over BP any day.
