Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Now you would absolutely have a large enough area for a garden on the deck of a ship.
Plenty of living space in the ship as well.
And plenty of options to use the restroom.
So do you make a trip to go solar and perform a hydroponics setup? Who do you take with you to live on this ship?
Do you know how to drive a ship like this?
Frigates and aircraft carriers would be great... ACs probably best because you can easily fly supplies in and out and the top makes for a HUGE garden area. But realistically you would never get military ships. What you might actually get is barges and stuff, build a flotilla. Something flexible, and that can grow.
Flotilla won't work when underway. ships don't tether together well under power. In port, yes you can moor up to other ships...
Ship to ship Replenishment
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@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Y'all need to live on an island to appreciate how silly this all seems, messing about with ships and all that bother.
Oil and nuclear and goodness knows what else.
If you want to live for a long time to wait stuff out, it's best not to put your life on a limited supply of anything. Including islands I suppose but it seems easier to have a farm with dirt under your feet instead of steel.
Pretty sure @MattSpeller just offered up his apartment. Just have to 'toast' a bridge or two.. But issue then becomes - how to do you secure your boarder (beach)
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Y'all need to live on an island to appreciate how silly this all seems, messing about with ships and all that bother.
Oil and nuclear and goodness knows what else.
If you want to live for a long time to wait stuff out, it's best not to put your life on a limited supply of anything. Including islands I suppose but it seems easier to have a farm with dirt under your feet instead of steel.
Pretty sure @MattSpeller just offered up his apartment. Just have to 'toast' a bridge or two.. But issue then becomes - how to do you secure your boarder (beach)
Y'all are more than welcome hahah
One tends to know one's own environment best - no bridges around here mate
Plenty of islands to choose from however my first choice for a group of 20-40 would be something like this:
With plenty of room to grow to neighbouring islands. Plenty of farm land, some of the best you could dream of.
Security by obscurity and careful observation would be my suggestion. Keep fires contained and minimal, no buildings or clearings obvious from the beaches.
Rich and abundant food from the sea and many native deer and bear on the larger islands.
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@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Y'all need to live on an island to appreciate how silly this all seems, messing about with ships and all that bother.
Oil and nuclear and goodness knows what else.
If you want to live for a long time to wait stuff out, it's best not to put your life on a limited supply of anything. Including islands I suppose but it seems easier to have a farm with dirt under your feet instead of steel.
An island is too big. One infection and you are worse off than the mainland.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Y'all need to live on an island to appreciate how silly this all seems, messing about with ships and all that bother.
Oil and nuclear and goodness knows what else.
If you want to live for a long time to wait stuff out, it's best not to put your life on a limited supply of anything. Including islands I suppose but it seems easier to have a farm with dirt under your feet instead of steel.
An island is too big. One infection and you are worse off than the mainland.
They come in many sizes, I'm positive we could find one to suit. I think the one I linked is pretty good but there are ones further north with small lakes. All the natural resources you can harvest!
Better than being trapped in a metal box I think.
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@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Y'all need to live on an island to appreciate how silly this all seems, messing about with ships and all that bother.
Oil and nuclear and goodness knows what else.
If you want to live for a long time to wait stuff out, it's best not to put your life on a limited supply of anything. Including islands I suppose but it seems easier to have a farm with dirt under your feet instead of steel.
An island is too big. One infection and you are worse off than the mainland.
They come in many sizes, I'm positive we could find one to suit. I think the one I linked is pretty good but there are ones further north with small lakes. All the natural resources you can harvest!
Better than being trapped in a metal box I think.
Metal boxes are superior in dealing with the not-yet-undead threats. You can run away and lose nothing other than fuel.
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Trains would definitely be nice. Build a driveable fortress. You could build a mobile city using trains. You could easily house eight people in each car, possibly far more. You can have gallies and other features that move along with you. You can have an armory and defend it both when stationary and when moving. You can move through the train internally. It's very flexible, very defendable.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Trains would definitely be nice. Build a driveable fortress. You could build a mobile city using trains. You could easily house eight people in each car, possibly far more. You can have gallies and other features that move along with you. You can have an armory and defend it both when stationary and when moving. You can move through the train internally. It's very flexible, very defendable.
Nope.. no trains.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Trains would definitely be nice. Build a driveable fortress. You could build a mobile city using trains. You could easily house eight people in each car, possibly far more. You can have gallies and other features that move along with you. You can have an armory and defend it both when stationary and when moving. You can move through the train internally. It's very flexible, very defendable.
However - I have thought about a train... and how it could be done. Set it up similarly to a ship, different car(s) are for different tasks. But you are dependent on the tracks - and bridges... which means you are a target seen for a long way. No places to hide either.
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Trains would definitely be nice. Build a driveable fortress. You could build a mobile city using trains. You could easily house eight people in each car, possibly far more. You can have gallies and other features that move along with you. You can have an armory and defend it both when stationary and when moving. You can move through the train internally. It's very flexible, very defendable.
However - I have thought about a train... and how it could be done. Set it up similarly to a ship, different car(s) are for different tasks. But you are dependent on the tracks - and bridges... which means you are a target seen for a long way. No places to hide either.
Sort of, but it depends on other people to be able to out race you AND demolish major infrastructure to stop you. And even then you only ensure where you can't go, not where you can. Trains move fast and have lots of track choices. You'd have to have one heck of a strong system set up to be able to coordinate an attack on one.
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@scottalanmiller But how easy is it for a train conductor to determine where a train goes and what track it takes?
Is it the conductors choice, or someone in an operation room somewhere?
I agree, trains would be rather difficult to stop with a large area to travel in. But compared to a ocean fairing boat (trains have a very tiny area to travel)
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And with a large boat like a carrier, you get the capabilities of having helicopters, small transport boats and all of the facilities needed to stay at sea for months or years even if you can keep the boat stocked.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller But how easy is it for a train conductor to determine where a train goes and what track it takes?
Is it the conductors choice, or someone in an operation room somewhere?
I agree, trains would be rather difficult to stop with a large area to travel in. But compared to a ocean fairing boat (trains have a very tiny area to travel)
Trains can be derailed pretty easily. you don't need to just guard the train and it's cars, but the tracks it runs on.. There are videos of tracks washing out, a tornado derailing a trail, etc....
US Aircraft Carriers don't have the ability to deploy smaller boats IIRC. An amphibious assualt ship would be better.
The only vessels which can stay deployed for years are nuclear powered. All are limited by the ship stores of food. Water is run through the desalination plants...
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As I stated on that other thread which mentioned this:
Most IT people I've known would be dead, rarely ever do they think with logic. It's the only outcome of a thought process such as "I changed my grandma's video card, therefore I'm a computer expert now because she says I am." In other words, people who think they're smart, rarely ever are and will be the first to die because they think their decisions are informed and infallible. I can tell you having lived through an actual war myself, "smart" people tend to be those who move around a lot, know how to hide well, and don't take sides. I imagine a zombie situation wouldn't be that much different. Additionally because I did take sides in said war and had close calls, I can assure you I am not smart.
Additionally still being smart has no bearing on one's ability to properly dispose of human waste or find good drinking water. I learned how to do that in the military, I sure as hell didn't learn it in any of my Computer Science courses whilst I was studying for something completely unrelated I couldn't find a job in. On that thought, side note, most of the people on that Preppers show would die too, they're all really, really stupid, and the fact they'd go on the show is the #1 reason.
So, I don't really give much credence at all to this idea that IT people think logically and would be able to survive more. It's sort of like suggesting that IT people would automatically be better at football because there's logic and structure behind the rules and plays. This isn't just football or war, this is beyond the scope or horror of either, and yet they'll suddenly be kings? lol, no chance in hell.
Most IT people are incompetent morons who think too highly of themselves and think they are far more capable than they actually are. The people who are most likely to survive in a zombie apocalypse are the same who survive in regular wars, normal people with varying backgrounds who stay on the move, don't fight, and simply hide. This goes or IT people, doctors, any people to answer the OP.
If your plan is to fight, you're already dead.
(Side note: I think the only decent depiction "realistic" of zombies is in 28 Days Later, not that it's my favourite zombie movie at all, but let's be logical here, if a bullet to the head can kill something, other things like disease and starvation will too. Romero Zombies are effectively magic, and so it's fun to consider them, but if you want to plan this out for real it's a joke, it's like worrying about sea horses coming onto land and killing us. And people do really consider it to be real, I've seen some stupid preppers act like big babies arguing over it. I like that show because it's the only place you can see a grown man cry because a gun was too loud.)
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Also because Romero Zombies are so stupid and slow, you'd have to be a moron to be caught by them in the first place (or severely disabled), I can't imagine them spreading that fast unless they fall into a reservoir and people catch it by drinking water or something.
Speaking of Walking Dead and 28 Days Later, was I the only person who was like "f'kng seriously?!" when both of them started the same way, were the writers that unoriginal?
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Speaking of Walking Dead and 28 Days Later, was I the only person who was like "f'kng seriously?!" when both of them started the same way, were the writers that unoriginal?
Do they really? I've only seen 28 Days Later, not the Walking Dead.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Speaking of Walking Dead and 28 Days Later, was I the only person who was like "f'kng seriously?!" when both of them started the same way, were the writers that unoriginal?
Do they really? I've only seen 28 Days Later, not the Walking Dead.
Yeah cop wakes up in hospital from coma and everyone's gone, it's exactly the same.
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller But how easy is it for a train conductor to determine where a train goes and what track it takes?
Is it the conductors choice, or someone in an operation room somewhere?
I agree, trains would be rather difficult to stop with a large area to travel in. But compared to a ocean fairing boat (trains have a very tiny area to travel)
Trains can be derailed pretty easily. you don't need to just guard the train and it's cars, but the tracks it runs on.. There are videos of tracks washing out, a tornado derailing a trail, etc....
US Aircraft Carriers don't have the ability to deploy smaller boats IIRC. An amphibious assualt ship would be better.
The only vessels which can stay deployed for years are nuclear powered. All are limited by the ship stores of food. Water is run through the desalination plants...
Food is only an issue on an AC because they need the deck for other things. Turn that whole deck into a green house and you could feed a small city with that. Add fishing to the mix and you could have a pretty huge food supply going on.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Speaking of Walking Dead and 28 Days Later, was I the only person who was like "f'kng seriously?!" when both of them started the same way, were the writers that unoriginal?
Do they really? I've only seen 28 Days Later, not the Walking Dead.
Yeah cop wakes up in hospital from coma and everyone's gone, it's exactly the same.
How cheesy.
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I stopped watching Walking Dead after the second episode of the second season. I got tired of everyone except "bad guys" looking beautiful all the time, something that really bothers me about American TV. It's off putting because also like that show Revolution, it's been years since everything fell apart and they still look like they just came from a spa weekend? Give me a break. I'm not saying people on TV should be regular ugly people like East Enders, but if you used what they do now with say... Seinfeld, imagine if Elaine looked like <insert modern beautiful woman> it'd throw everything off.
