Alternatives to LMI
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@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to LMI:
@stacksofplates said in Alternatives to LMI:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to LMI:
@stacksofplates said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Danp said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
Log Me in Does.. No agent has to be preinstalled for connecting on the local network without user interaction.
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to LMI:
Yes, the end user gets a link to download an on demand agent. It disappears as soon as you are done using it. This is LMI Rescue, not the normal LMI.
Maybe I'm being dense (it's been a long day!)., but how is that "without user interaction"?
Just a stupid way to do it would be run a script remotely to run the temp agent if both are on the same domain.
Which would really just make it an installed agent.
Not pre-installed no it isn't.
If you script it to always be there and running, it really is.
It's not always there and running. It's just an exe sitting somewhere. I run the script, it launches the exe. When I close the session that process ends. It's only running while you're connected.
That's an agent. Just not an always on one.
Which would really just make it an installed agent.
You said that ^ it's not an installed agent. Dan asked how it would be done without user interaction.
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@stacksofplates said in Alternatives to LMI:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to LMI:
@stacksofplates said in Alternatives to LMI:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to LMI:
@stacksofplates said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Danp said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
Log Me in Does.. No agent has to be preinstalled for connecting on the local network without user interaction.
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to LMI:
Yes, the end user gets a link to download an on demand agent. It disappears as soon as you are done using it. This is LMI Rescue, not the normal LMI.
Maybe I'm being dense (it's been a long day!)., but how is that "without user interaction"?
Just a stupid way to do it would be run a script remotely to run the temp agent if both are on the same domain.
Which would really just make it an installed agent.
Not pre-installed no it isn't.
If you script it to always be there and running, it really is.
It's not always there and running. It's just an exe sitting somewhere. I run the script, it launches the exe. When I close the session that process ends. It's only running while you're connected.
That's an agent. Just not an always on one.
Which would really just make it an installed agent.
You said that ^ it's not an installed agent. Dan asked how it would be done without user interaction.
basically it's an agent OR it requires user interaction
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@JaredBusch said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
Log Me in Does.. No agent has to be preinstalled for connecting on the local network without user interaction.
As someone that does not use LMI, how does it do that? I have no idea and I want to know. Is it using some windows protocol? Pushing an angent out on demand to execute and then destroy itself? I can see many ways it can do it, just want to know what it does.
I believe LMI says it uses the windows remote registry service to temporarily run for your session.
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@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
@JaredBusch said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
Log Me in Does.. No agent has to be preinstalled for connecting on the local network without user interaction.
As someone that does not use LMI, how does it do that? I have no idea and I want to know. Is it using some windows protocol? Pushing an angent out on demand to execute and then destroy itself? I can see many ways it can do it, just want to know what it does.
I believe LMI says it uses the windows remote registry service to temporarily run for your session.
Which is similar to how ScreenConnect does it...
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@aaronstuder said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
@JaredBusch said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
Log Me in Does.. No agent has to be preinstalled for connecting on the local network without user interaction.
As someone that does not use LMI, how does it do that? I have no idea and I want to know. Is it using some windows protocol? Pushing an angent out on demand to execute and then destroy itself? I can see many ways it can do it, just want to know what it does.
I believe LMI says it uses the windows remote registry service to temporarily run for your session.
Which is similar to how ScreenConnect does it...
Um no. We demoed screen connect even they said it can't. The agent had to be preinstalled and Always running. You create the package and deploy it with a GPO.
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@Jason @JaredBusch and I did a session just a few weeks ago and I didn't install anything.
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@Jason did you demo the cloud version or the self hosted version?
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@aaronstuder said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason did you demo the cloud version or the self hosted version?
cloud. And the self hosted is going away
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@aaronstuder said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason @JaredBusch and I did a session just a few weeks ago and I didn't install anything.
So you and @JaredBusch are on the same network? That's the only way that would work
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@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
@aaronstuder said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason @JaredBusch and I did a session just a few weeks ago and I didn't install anything.
So you and @JaredBusch are on the same network? That's the only way that would work
No...
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@aaronstuder said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
@aaronstuder said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason @JaredBusch and I did a session just a few weeks ago and I didn't install anything.
So you and @JaredBusch are on the same network? That's the only way that would work
No...
Then you either have something installed or ran the agent
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@Jason check this gif from screenconnect, the end user machine doesn't have an agent, just enter the code, same way done on LMI, and it connects to the session. Once the session is completed, the screenconnect session gets cleared up
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@Ambarishrh said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason check this gif from screenconnect, the end user machine doesn't have an agent, just enter the code, same way done on LMI, and it connects to the session. Once the session is completed, the screenconnect session gets cleared up
https://www.screenconnect.com/Images/FeatureAnimationZeroInstallClients.gifGuys, this is not at all what we we talking about. @JaredBusch you understand what we mean right?
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I understand what you mean - and you could do this with Screen connect, but not as cleanly as the SC agent is suppose to be install and left there. Apparently LMI has created an agent that just runs, and then deletes itself after it is shutdown.
The LMI solution most likely works by sending a file to the remote computer through the administrative share on the remote computer, or puts an execute command into the remote machine's registry, which then executes and sucks the exe in from someplace on the network and starts it.
But I gotta ask, if you are on a local network, why not deploy an agent?
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@Jason said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Ambarishrh said in Alternatives to LMI:
@Jason check this gif from screenconnect, the end user machine doesn't have an agent, just enter the code, same way done on LMI, and it connects to the session. Once the session is completed, the screenconnect session gets cleared up
https://www.screenconnect.com/Images/FeatureAnimationZeroInstallClients.gifGuys, this is not at all what we we talking about. @JaredBusch you understand what we mean right?
I understand perfectly what you are talking about. You are 100% correct. It is most certainly a nice feature and not one that ScreenConnect has by default. I can think of a way to sort of emulate this LMI feature, but it would need testing.
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@Dashrender said in Alternatives to LMI:
I understand what you mean - and you could do this with Screen connect, but not as cleanly as the SC agent is suppose to be install and left there. Apparently LMI has created an agent that just runs, and then deletes itself after it is shutdown.
ScreenConnect "Support" sessions work like this, but require user interaction. Which breaks one of his other criteria.
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@JaredBusch Right, but if the user isn't on the computer, why can you just push the agent to the computer with something like PDQ Deploy? That's basically with LMI is doing, more a less.
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@aaronstuder said in Alternatives to LMI:
@JaredBusch Right, but if the user isn't on the computer, why can you just push the agent to the computer with something like PDQ Deploy? That's basically with LMI is doing, more a less.
There is no one time agent to push that the administrator has easy access to. When the user is sent a link to the session, it downloads and the user has to run it.
I am sure I could work around that. But it is not in the design. It would be a hack. LMI has it in the design.
