HUGE news: Nextcloud future of ownCloud!
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@Dashrender said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
And if they left because they felt that management of ownCloud wasn't being good stewarts, why would we think this new company, presumably run by the same management, would be any better stewarts?
Presumably run by the same management? It's explicitly not run by the same management! That's the whole point. The people concerned about the stewardship were not managers and left. Now they are the managers of NextCloud. We assume that they will be better stewards because they are the very people who left over stewardship.
Why would you presume that employees leaving managers behind because they didn't like the managers would then hire the managers that they didn't like to come and manage them again? that makes no sense.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@Dashrender said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
didn't the ownCloud people own/control it? So fine, they left - wouldn't they also have to fork it to make something they controlled?
ownCloud still controls it. Just nobody likely cares about it. ownCloud just doesn't matter anymore (we think.)
Who forked it? Karlitschek forked it - and he was the old CEO of OwnCloud and now the new CEO of NextCloud. so what changed?
Since the developers of the ownCloud quit ownCloud, why did Karlitschek need to make a new company? make a fork?
yeah more hate for JB - I don't know what the heck is going on.
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@Dashrender said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
Who forked it? Karlitschek forked it - and he was the old CEO of OwnCloud and now the new CEO of NextCloud. so what changed?
Yes, but he wasn't the old CEO. He was a developer. So EVERYTHING has changed. The old CEO was just fired.
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@Dashrender said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
Since the developers of the ownCloud quit ownCloud, why did Karlitschek need to make a new company? make a fork?
"The developers" and Karlitschek here are interchangeable. Karlitschek and the other developers left the old CEO and management behind. They had to fork because they were not in the management of the company. So they had no control.
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Ug.. so many titles, so much confusion..
I'm fixed now thought.
in the old company of ownCloud, Karlitschek was a developer (the inventor of ownCloud, maybe?)
that dev (and others) quit and started a new company.
Now Karlitschek (a dev) is now at NextCloud with a fork of ownCloud, called NextCloud where they are moving things forward.
Karlitschek has a positive outlook with open source and will hopefully continue to support the open source community.
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He was the founder. What ever else he was in the company matters only for perspective.
What was his position prior to quitting?
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
He was the founder. What ever else he was in the company matters only for perspective.
What was his position prior to quitting?
He was A founder, I don't think that he was the only one. But he did not maintain control of the company towards the end. He might have for a while, but eventually he lost it or gave it up or never had it. I've worked with startups, including NTG and Change.org, where the founders (at least some of them) were never in any type of management position. Change's founder is purely an engineer and a great one, but that's it. No management role whatsoever. NTG's @AndyW was never any form of manager, just an engineer. Same situation. It's not uncommon. Pertino had the same.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
He was the founder. What ever else he was in the company matters only for perspective.
What was his position prior to quitting?
He was A founder, I don't think that he was the only one.
That is not how he presented it during the Nextcloud Q&A yesterday. He originally announced ownCloud at a KDE event in 2010.
https://dot.kde.org/2010/01/21/camp-kde-2010-continues-more-talks
The third needed building block is a technology to make storage, access, revision control and sharing of documents really easy. Frank announced the ownCloud project which is a personal cloud storage solution to manage all you personal data. ownCloud will use the AGPL license so everybody can install his/her own cloud storage on a server, desktop and anywhere else. Everybody has control over his/her own data but is still able to access it from all devices, have revision control, automated backups, sharing with others and data encryption.
His position at ownCloud, Inc was CTO.
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
He was the founder. What ever else he was in the company matters only for perspective.
What was his position prior to quitting?
He was A founder, I don't think that he was the only one.
That is not how he presented it during the Nextcloud Q&A yesterday. He originally announced ownCloud at a KDE event in 2010.
https://dot.kde.org/2010/01/21/camp-kde-2010-continues-more-talks
The third needed building block is a technology to make storage, access, revision control and sharing of documents really easy. Frank announced the ownCloud project which is a personal cloud storage solution to manage all you personal data. ownCloud will use the AGPL license so everybody can install his/her own cloud storage on a server, desktop and anywhere else. Everybody has control over his/her own data but is still able to access it from all devices, have revision control, automated backups, sharing with others and data encryption.
His position at ownCloud, Inc was CTO.
So that was 2010, and true, it was a position he held before quitting, but perhaps not right before quitting.
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
His position at ownCloud, Inc was CTO.
So were many non-management founders that I've known. It's often a title used for non-management, especially in start ups. Maybe he was management at OC, I don't know. But CTO is often given as a purely engineering title (rightly or wrongly.)
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@Dashrender said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
He was the founder. What ever else he was in the company matters only for perspective.
What was his position prior to quitting?
He was A founder, I don't think that he was the only one.
That is not how he presented it during the Nextcloud Q&A yesterday. He originally announced ownCloud at a KDE event in 2010.
https://dot.kde.org/2010/01/21/camp-kde-2010-continues-more-talks
The third needed building block is a technology to make storage, access, revision control and sharing of documents really easy. Frank announced the ownCloud project which is a personal cloud storage solution to manage all you personal data. ownCloud will use the AGPL license so everybody can install his/her own cloud storage on a server, desktop and anywhere else. Everybody has control over his/her own data but is still able to access it from all devices, have revision control, automated backups, sharing with others and data encryption.
His position at ownCloud, Inc was CTO.
So that was 2010, and true, it was a position he held before quitting, but perhaps not right before quitting.
He was the CTO when he resigned. Serious wtf is your disconnect here?
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Seems likely that he was some degree of management but being CTO and not CEO, he likely had little control over the company and rather just over the product.
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I have a feeling @Dashrender is conflating the fact that he quit, with the fact that he started a new company, with the supposition that a company cannot shepherd open source software.
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@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
I have a feeling @Dashrender is conflating the fact that he quit, with the fact that he started a new company, with the supposition that a company cannot shepherd open source software.
Yes, I think that that is part of it. He was part of the first company, they didn't shepherd well, he'll do the same again. But he was not the shepherd, he was the head sheep upset with the old shepherd.
He might be bad too, but we have no reason to think that he will. We just have to see.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
@JaredBusch said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
I have a feeling @Dashrender is conflating the fact that he quit, with the fact that he started a new company, with the supposition that a company cannot shepherd open source software.
Yes, I think that that is part of it. He was part of the first company, they didn't shepherd well, he'll do the same again. But he was not the shepherd, he was the head sheep upset with the old shepherd.
He might be bad too, but we have no reason to think that he will. We just have to see.
For those who never looked farther..
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That article on Wikipedia mentions his involvement as a co-founder and his CTO role:
"In 2011 Karlitschek co-founded ownCloud Inc. to offer an enterprise version of ownCloud. He served as the CTO and oversaw the product development and community relations."
Those are the same tasks he was doing when it was juts an open source project.
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@scottalanmiller said in HUGE news: Nextcloud replacing ownCloud!:
That article on Wikipedia mentions his involvement as a co-founder and his CTO role:
"In 2011 Karlitschek co-founded ownCloud Inc. to offer an enterprise version of ownCloud. He served as the CTO and oversaw the product development and community relations."
Those are the same tasks he was doing when it was juts an open source project.
You are the one who called him CTO a month ago.
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Its awesome that he came up with so much funding so quickly! And amazing, but not totally surprising, that he did not know how fragile things were at ownCloud.
But I've talked to people at startups who have been there way longer than he was at ownCloud and are very senior and have no idea how precarious everything is.
