User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated
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@BBigford said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@Breffni-Potter said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
Now, I have my own thoughts and feelings about this but the user is someone I know and they are keen for this to be seen so I'm "sharing" in the old fashioned way.
https://www.facebook.com/christine.daniel.129/videos/10153391239151910/
I have no idea what happened prior to the uploading of the video. I leave this here for the community to give an opinion on the video above. Yes it is only on Facebook but you don't need an account to view.
Opinions?
Nana couldn't get to Facebook for 2 hours... And doesn't own a smart phone? The afternoon is absolutely ruined.
I know if my mom couldn't get to Facebook to see her grand kids she'd... Probably just give up on waiting and physically go and see them. Problem solved.
I still call my family on Sunday's... Then again I don't have Facebook anymore because of the crap my family thinks people want to hear about.
Too bad you're only able to upvote once.
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@BBigford said
To name a few... WiFi Sense, Telemetry, Cortana. The list is extensive though, so much that people developed programs and PowerShell scripts to disable the atrocities that were the "features".
Bitlocker keys sent to Microsoft.
Bitlocker enabled by default.
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@BRRABill said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BBigford said
To name a few... WiFi Sense, Telemetry, Cortana. The list is extensive though, so much that people developed programs and PowerShell scripts to disable the atrocities that were the "features".
Bitlocker keys sent to Microsoft.
Bitlocker enabled by default.
Any source?
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@BRRABill said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BBigford said
To name a few... WiFi Sense, Telemetry, Cortana. The list is extensive though, so much that people developed programs and PowerShell scripts to disable the atrocities that were the "features".
Bitlocker keys sent to Microsoft.
Bitlocker enabled by default.
Say what? I haven't seen Bitlocker enabled by default? As for the keys being sent to MS - for home users, I would fully expect this, but I would also fully expect the keys to be encrypted using the logon credentials to the MS account (not that this would/should be an issue for MS, but still nice).
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@BBigford said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
To name a few... WiFi Sense, Telemetry, Cortana. The list is extensive though, so much that people developed programs and PowerShell scripts to disable the atrocities that were the "features".
Anyone who uses an Android Phone or an iPhone suffers this same list only on the the tech specific to their platform. As for WiFi sense, it's not enabled by default, so it's really a non issue!
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"How dare you!"
"Hashtag Frustrated!!"She sounds a bit hysterical, to be honest. Her attempts to make it go viral haven't really worked either. I might try posting it on a few other places to help her out
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I got a call on Sunday from a family member after their computer upgraded overnight without their approval. I don't think Microsoft is playing fair. In this case Internet Explorer favorites didn't import in to Edge, and it removed Internet Explorer from the tiles and taskbar. Simple fix for me, but not for the end user.
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What if it was one of our computers and it decided to upgrade and we sat down to work and it was sitting there for 2 hours displaying "do not reboot your computer"?
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@BRRABill said
Bitlocker keys sent to Microsoft.
Bitlocker enabled by default.
Only if your using a Microsoft Account
Your Microsoft account online. This option is only available on non-domain-joined PCs.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/bitlocker-recovery-keys-faq
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@aaronstuder said
Only if your using a Microsoft Account
Which is another thing I think normal users find very hard to opt out of.
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@BRRABill Would you rather normal users lose all there data?
Normal users NEVER remember were any paperwork for the computer is.....
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@aaronstuder said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BRRABill said
Bitlocker keys sent to Microsoft.
Bitlocker enabled by default.
Only if your using a Microsoft Account
Your Microsoft account online. This option is only available on non-domain-joined PCs.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/bitlocker-recovery-keys-faq
This is no different than Apple doing the same for the iPhone with iMessages. Apple stores the encryption key so you just add a device to the account and the key is provided to the device and your messages are all readable.
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@aaronstuder said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BRRABill Would you rather normal users lose all there data?
Normal users NEVER remember were any paperwork for the computer is.....
I agree with this. There is the ability to opt out for those who really know what they are doing, but frankly the normal person should not be opting out. These protections are there to help them.
I really can't wait until the MS store really takes off and everyone buys all of their software in that store. Today, when a PC needs to be rebuilt you ask the user for all of their software installers, etc, do they have them? Of course not, they threw them away, or lost them, etc. Using the store makes a PC more like an iPhone or Android device. You log in with your purchasing account and tada! all of your apps can come back.
Normal people need this, normal people WANT this.
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@Dashrender said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BBigford said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
To name a few... WiFi Sense, Telemetry, Cortana. The list is extensive though, so much that people developed programs and PowerShell scripts to disable the atrocities that were the "features".
Anyone who uses an Android Phone or an iPhone suffers this same list only on the the tech specific to their platform. As for WiFi sense, it's not enabled by default, so it's really a non issue!
I disagree. Anyone who enables the option, doesn't fully understand what they are giving up in my opinion. Having an option like that, just not employed, is like having a semi defective grenade that "ticks occasionally". It's a feature that could potentially cause damage, if maliciously enabled.
That feature has no reason to be in any release of Windows. It's very existence is questionable when it comes to security ethics. Microsoft didn't even remove it because it was a security issue, it was only removed because it wasn't being used by most.
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@Mike-Davis said
What if it was one of our computers and it decided to upgrade and we sat down to work and it was sitting there for 2 hours displaying "do not reboot your computer"?
This is a statement which belongs on a bookshelf marked comedy.
Can Windows 7 upgrade to 10 without any user action? No.
Find me a single provable source across the entire planet where Windows 10 has become self-aware and upgraded without a user clicking "upgrade"
Are Microsoft being trigger happy with the constant prompts? Yes but it is still end user choice. By the same token, if a cryptolocker pop up appears on a website, will you just click "yay download please"
@Mike-Davis said
I got a call on Sunday from a family member after their computer upgraded overnight without their approval. I don't think Microsoft is playing fair.
I don't believe it. There is a hysteria about computers doing things without asking for approval but despite the media stories, it's all up to individuals.
As for fair from Microsoft.
You want a secure up to date operating system but don't want to install updates.
You want a stable OS but leave it running 24/7 with no reboots in months.Microsoft are simply following in the foot steps of Google & Apple, there is nothing fundamentally new about Windows 10 on the market, they are simply catching up to Apple & Google. Forced in your face constant prompts for updates? Where have we seen that before...
If Microsoft were not as pushy, would Windows 10 just be "another thing you'll get around to" and more people would miss out?
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@Breffni-Potter said
I don't believe it. There is a hysteria about computers doing things without asking for approval but despite the media stories, it's all up to individuals.
We've discussed this before on ML.
I think what the issue is, is that the screen Microsoft puts up makes it seem like they HAVE to upgrade.
Right or wrong (I am sure a couple ML-ers would say it is the user's fault for not reading properly) it seems to be tricking people.
I get at least a call a week with someone saying their computer "automatically upgraded" and I really only help a handful of people outside of work.
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This is a hard call for me. I haven't run Windows 7 or 8.1 personally since July of last year, so the chance for a machine to just upgrade on its own hasn't been possible.
Paul Thurrott though has said that he does believe that there probably is a bug (or intentional problem) with the update software that randomly pushed the upgrade through, even though it hasn't been approved.
Sadly I agree with this possibility/likeliness.
At the same time, I agree that MS's dialog box does not appear to present an option to NOT upgrade (social engineering much?) which is fraking horrible.
But in the long run, having more people upgraded or migrated away from Windows is safer for the internet at large.
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@Dashrender said i
But in the long run, having more people upgraded or migrated away from Windows is safer for the internet at large.
Was that a typo, or did you really mean migrated away from Windows?
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@BRRABill said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@Dashrender said i
But in the long run, having more people upgraded or migrated away from Windows is safer for the internet at large.
Was that a typo, or did you really mean migrated away from Windows?
As much as I do like Windows, yes migrating away from Windows to iDevices and Chromebooks for most users would make the safer place. Both of these platforms force updates upon users keeping those users safe, oh, kinda like what's happening to some users on Windows.
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@Dashrender said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@BRRABill said in User's thoughts on Windows 10. #frustrated:
@Dashrender said i
But in the long run, having more people upgraded or migrated away from Windows is safer for the internet at large.
Was that a typo, or did you really mean migrated away from Windows?
As much as I do like Windows, yes migrating away from Windows to iDevices and Chromebooks for most users would make the safer place. Both of these platforms force updates upon users keeping those users safe, oh, kinda like what's happening to some users on Windows.
If your Chromebooks are supported (it's by age... not architecture or performance weird enough), Google is porting Android apps over. This is going to deprecate iDevices even further in low budget areas, but more importantly, education/GAFE. That
That basically taps into an app store, instead of re-coding apps for the Chrome Store. Plus, makes things a little more unified since Android devices can be managed in GAFE/GAFB.
