Why is VMWare considered so often
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
But what happens when your pool of customers stagnates? Surely that pool of 100k installs needs to get bigger.
That's sweet and candid
Do you really think we'll stop there? I said to start and have enough customers to cover our expenses. There is multiple ways to be profitable: increase your conversion rate, increase your average basket, add extra services, expand your product (ie HyperV compatible?).And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward. XS has gaps, XO fills them. As that happens, the resistance to XS reduces. But people don't go to XO and say "I want XO, what hypervisor do they support." They compare XS to ESXi and XO helps to make sure that XS has features that ESXi can't touch.
Exactly. Win win for us and Citrix.
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@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
But what happens when your pool of customers stagnates? Surely that pool of 100k installs needs to get bigger.
That's sweet and candid
Do you really think we'll stop there? I said to start and have enough customers to cover our expenses. There is multiple ways to be profitable: increase your conversion rate, increase your average basket, add extra services, expand your product (ie HyperV compatible?).And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward. XS has gaps, XO fills them. As that happens, the resistance to XS reduces. But people don't go to XO and say "I want XO, what hypervisor do they support." They compare XS to ESXi and XO helps to make sure that XS has features that ESXi can't touch.
Exactly. Win win for us and Citrix.
And probably the Linux foundation.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward.
Which is basically my point. If someone is researching it as an alternative, why would the tool not big up the platform it runs on?
Because no one is finding it that way. No one looks at XO and says "I should change my platform to use this." It's not just realistic. It's the other way around, XO beefs up XS features so that XS is more competitive.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward.
Which is basically my point. If someone is researching it as an alternative, why would the tool not big up the platform it runs on?
Because no one is finding it that way. No one looks at XO and says "I should change my platform to use this." It's not just realistic. It's the other way around, XO beefs up XS features so that XS is more competitive.
I go to Xen Server.
I then go to Xen OrchestraOn the second site....there is yet another chance to pitch/convey the benefits of the former.
If the person buys into the former, surely they will buy into the latter.
So surely XO bigs it up as XS people who research XS might end up on XO to look at how to manage XS.
Does that make more sense?
Again, you keep coming back to the parts store idea but if someone wants to research if they can even buy parts in their region, why would they not be looking at parts shops in their area?
In this case, why would you buy into a hyper-visor unless you also had the tools to manage it. XO is a tool.
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Again...
VMWare is crazy expensive, but they get this stuff right. Which is why you have so many people sticking up for VMWare now.
What I'm saying is, for low cost methods to promo this which don't need 100 mill, are they all being done?
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Technical glitch or comedy?
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@Breffni-Potter Let me guess, trailing space in your email?
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@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter Let me guess, trailing space in your email?
Nope.
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Or space before? I can see your account is created in the database.
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Case sensitive emails are apparently a thing.
Thanks @DustinB3403
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Basically, the OP of the topic was
"Why is VMWare considered so often"
They've got lots of money, lots of people and lots of partnership details to constantly re-enforce the idea of VMware being the best and most reliable. It falls down under scrutiny but that's another topic.
So my thing with Xen Orchestra is, if you can do the same thing on a small scale, to help encourage people to think about XenServer. Why would that not be a good thing for you, you don't need to set your sights on 100 million marketing campaigns but can something be done.
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So @Breffni-Potter wouldn't it be better for the Linux Foundation to have a IT Conference of sorts where XO could participate?
It has to take a ton of money to try and setup a marketing conference of any kind.
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But...why leap for the stuff which costs money to do? My point is, If you can't do what the big boys do, what can you do instead with what you have?
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@Breffni-Potter So what does that mean for everyone using ESXi that wants to upgrade?
That they are stuck with only a web console? (I don't use ESXi so I'm asking out of curiosity)
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Well this is new.
http://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2016/05/goodbye-vsphere-client-for-windows-c-hello-html5.html
They've been talking about this for awhile now. We ran into it in the past year where they told us they wouldn't be updating the desktop client to work with TLS1.1 or 1.2.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter So what does that mean for everyone using ESXi that wants to upgrade?
That they are stuck with only a web console? (I don't use ESXi so I'm asking out of curiosity)
No idea. I care not for VMware
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
But...why leap for the stuff which costs money to do? My point is, If you can't do what the big boys do, what can you do instead with what you have?
The only thing that XO would be able to do is use Word of Mouth or to attend tech conferences with a minimal vendor registration fee.
That and develop the product to be as amazing as possible. What can you do with no advertising budget?
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@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter So what does that mean for everyone using ESXi that wants to upgrade?
That they are stuck with only a web console? (I don't use ESXi so I'm asking out of curiosity)
Correct. Which makes the most sense. Moving to modern application design is a great thing.
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Oh I don't disagree.
A Webconsole would be the most simple and universal tool for ESXi, like XO is for XS.
I'm just curious.
