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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @stacksofplates
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      @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

      Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

      The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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        @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

        You can't call for an ambulance over the internet, unless you're paying for a VoIP connection. And even then, a lot of 911 services don't work over the internet.

        There is no reason that that can't be offered for free and in the telephone era the law was that 911 always worked regardless. That it CAN not work is silly. 911 might not work on a traditional phone too. But there is no reason for that to be the case any more than on VoIP.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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          @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

          @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

          Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

          The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

          And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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            @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

            Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

            No library or restaurant where I grew up. Depending on being rich enough to live where things are cheap is doubly bad, right? Free services are provides only to those who don't need them.

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            • stacksofplatesS
              stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

              @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

              @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

              Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

              The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

              And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

              Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

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                Jason Banned @stacksofplates
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                @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

                The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

                And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

                Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

                And pretty much every local government provides libraries.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                  @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                  @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                  @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                  Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

                  The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

                  And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

                  Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

                  Walking distance in safe areas? Inner city doesn't mean "on my block." And tons of the poorest live away from the inner cities. The library might be within a mile, but it is often not free or safe to get to it.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Jason
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                    @Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:

                    @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                    @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                    @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                    Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

                    The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

                    And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

                    Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

                    And pretty much every local government provides libraries.

                    Maybe where you are from. Not in the north. Certainly almost nowhere near me.

                    Of the ones that were around, most were one room deals that have since shut down. No way they would exist or have Internet today.

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                    • stacksofplatesS
                      stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                      No library or restaurant where I grew up

                      Where did you grow up?

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                      • stacksofplatesS
                        stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                        @Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:

                        @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                        @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                        @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                        Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

                        The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

                        And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

                        Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

                        And pretty much every local government provides libraries.

                        Maybe where you are from. Not in the north. Certainly almost nowhere near me.

                        Of the ones that were around, most were one room deals that have since shut down. No way they would exist or have Internet today.

                        Well I live in the North and they're here. Even in small towns like the one I grew up in. A town of about 4,000 people.

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                          Jason Banned @stacksofplates
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                          @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                          @Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:

                          @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                          @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                          @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                          Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

                          The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

                          And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

                          Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

                          And pretty much every local government provides libraries.

                          Maybe where you are from. Not in the north. Certainly almost nowhere near me.

                          Of the ones that were around, most were one room deals that have since shut down. No way they would exist or have Internet today.

                          Well I live in the North and they're here. Even in small towns like the one I grew up in. A town of about 4,000 people.

                          I grew up in a village of 800, still had a library and internet.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @stacksofplates
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                            @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                            @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                            @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                            Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

                            The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

                            And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

                            Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

                            That's definitely not the case in my 1 Million person city. There is a library downtown, but no one lives there, save rich people (condos start at $400K). Thinking about the rest of the libraries around the town.. they are definitely few and far between in poorer parts of town.

                            It's actually pretty bad for those parts of town - so bad that people are forced to walk well over 2 miles in some cases to get groceries. Luckily those parts of town do have better access to the bus system, but it could be better.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                              @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                              No library or restaurant where I grew up

                              Where did you grow up?

                              Wyoming, Co, NY

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

                                The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

                                And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

                                Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

                                That's definitely not the case in my 1 Million person city. There is a library downtown, but no one lives there, save rich people (condos start at $400K). Thinking about the rest of the libraries around the town.. they are definitely few and far between in poorer parts of town.

                                It's actually pretty bad for those parts of town - so bad that people are forced to walk well over 2 miles in some cases to get groceries. Luckily those parts of town do have better access to the bus system, but it could be better.

                                Same with 30K cities, like Ithaca, NY. Amazing library, in the high rent district.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Jason
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                                  @Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                  @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                  @Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                  @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                  @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                  @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                  Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

                                  The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

                                  And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

                                  Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

                                  And pretty much every local government provides libraries.

                                  Maybe where you are from. Not in the north. Certainly almost nowhere near me.

                                  Of the ones that were around, most were one room deals that have since shut down. No way they would exist or have Internet today.

                                  Well I live in the North and they're here. Even in small towns like the one I grew up in. A town of about 4,000 people.

                                  I grew up in a village of 800, still had a library and internet.

                                  We STILL don't have a gas station, restaurant or store of any kind. Having a library would be weird.

                                  In NY more people live in the open area between villages than in them. The poorest are in the open spaces.

                                  And for the cost of one library you could have just provided Internet to their homes!

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender
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                                    I think small towns are the least likely to have issues. They're to small to have really bad parts of town in most cases, and as you guys have pointed out, you have a library.

                                    But in the bigger cities, the poor live nearer to the really bad parts of town and walking to a library could be hazardous, and definitely not a close walk.

                                    As for free internet - I've been in those parts of town in my city.. very few private businesses offer internet access to the public there.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                                      @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                      Well I live in the North and they're here. Even in small towns like the one I grew up in. A town of about 4,000 people.

                                      How many people did not live right in town, though? Of that 4,000... how many could walk there? Was it open 24/7? Could you use it as long as you needed? Can you store data in some way? What about people outside of town before you get to another spot where they can walk to the next library?

                                      The number of people that can reasonably walk safely to a library during non-school or work hours is, I think, amazingly small. It always sounds good "my town had one", but the town next to me (10 miles away) had one little one... but even though I knew tons of people who lived there, I only two maybe two that were close enough to walk to it, including the librarian herself (my friend's mom.)

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                                      • stacksofplatesS
                                        stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                        @Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                        @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                        @Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                        @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                        @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                        @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                        Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.

                                        The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.

                                        And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.

                                        Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.

                                        And pretty much every local government provides libraries.

                                        Maybe where you are from. Not in the north. Certainly almost nowhere near me.

                                        Of the ones that were around, most were one room deals that have since shut down. No way they would exist or have Internet today.

                                        Well I live in the North and they're here. Even in small towns like the one I grew up in. A town of about 4,000 people.

                                        I grew up in a village of 800, still had a library and internet.

                                        We STILL don't have a gas station, restaurant or store of any kind. Having a library would be weird.

                                        In NY more people live in the open area between villages than in them. The poorest are in the open spaces.

                                        And for the cost of one library you could have just provided Internet to their homes!

                                        False. If you're talking about people out in the middle of nowhere, if there is no line running there, the cost will be much more than a Library.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                          @Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                          I think small towns are the least likely to have issues. They're to small to have really bad parts of town in most cases, and as you guys have pointed out, you have a library.

                                          But in the bigger cities, the poor live nearer to the really bad parts of town and walking to a library could be hazardous, and definitely not a close walk.

                                          As for free internet - I've been in those parts of town in my city.. very few private businesses offer internet access to the public there.

                                          Yeah, it is the rich or affluent village and suburban people who feel like libraries are common and accessible. Once you are in a big city and/or rural the poor have little or no access. My nearest tiny village library as a kid was ten miles. TEN MILES. That's not trivial. And I grew up in a rich state with a good library system and lots of resources. I can't even imagine what a more rural state like Iowa would be like.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                                            @johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:

                                            False. If you're talking about people out in the middle of nowhere, if there is no line running there, the cost will be much more than a Library.

                                            I don't think that that is true. Library buildings are very expensive. The cost of running a line is relatively low (you can't use fake inflated current monopoly prices as a reference.) Running a line is cheap compared to building AND STAFFING a building.

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