Ransomware Management Career Fork
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It's also perfectly fine for a business to expect over time, but they must expect to pay for over time as well.
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@coliver said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
Ah, so when I asked for compensation and was told overtime was expected, ~10 hours in a week, I should have pushed further?
No, you should have been paid regardless. That overtime was expected means, by law (unless you make too much money and are exempt) that you were to be paid for that overtime on top of the salary.
If you are salaried AND exempt, there is no such thing as overtime. Overtime implies compensation for the time. Because salaried exempt people don't have a number of hours to go over.
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@DustinB3403 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
It's also perfectly fine for a business to expect over time, but they must expect to pay for over time as well.
Exactly, hence the term. Otherwise it would just be your hours.
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@DustinB3403 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@coliver depending on the state laws yes.
I forget what the exact pay cap is, but in NY it's something like 100G before you're truly "exempt" from earning over time.
Not nearly that high. Although tons of IT is over that point.
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@coliver said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
My assumption was I was exempt from overtime due to the "management" loophole that is trying to be closed.
There is no manager loophole. Either you are a manager or not and either you are at the cap for your role or not. There is no loophole and manager must be the role, not the title.
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@scottalanmiller said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@coliver said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
My assumption was I was exempt from overtime due to the "management" loophole that is trying to be closed.
There is no manager loophole. Either you are a manager or not and either you are at the cap for your role or not. There is no loophole and manager must be the role, not the title.
You may want to talk to some HR departments about that. They assume that titling someone manager, even when they don't manage people, that it puts them in the manager exemption. I sat in on the conversation and just thought it was underhanded.
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I am in negotiations currently for a sizable raise or I walk. The issue is my fiance doesn't enjoy the risk/reward of it.
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@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
I am in negotiations currently for a sizable raise or I walk. The issue is my fiance doesn't enjoy the risk/reward of it.
What? She doesn't want you to make more money? ... or she doesn't want you to be out of a job?
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@dafyre said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
I am in negotiations currently for a sizable raise or I walk. The issue is my fiance doesn't enjoy the risk/reward of it.
What? She doesn't want you to make more money? ... or she doesn't want you to be out of a job?
The risk of losing my job. She is a worrier though and doesn't understand the market for IT professionals. It's very much in favor of the employee not the company trying to fill the position.
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@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@dafyre said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
I am in negotiations currently for a sizable raise or I walk. The issue is my fiance doesn't enjoy the risk/reward of it.
What? She doesn't want you to make more money? ... or she doesn't want you to be out of a job?
The risk of losing my job. She is a worrier though and doesn't understand the market for IT professionals
Did you give them the ultimatum? "Pay raise or I'm outta here" ?
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@dafyre said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@dafyre said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
I am in negotiations currently for a sizable raise or I walk. The issue is my fiance doesn't enjoy the risk/reward of it.
What? She doesn't want you to make more money? ... or she doesn't want you to be out of a job?
The risk of losing my job. She is a worrier though and doesn't understand the market for IT professionals
Did you give them the ultimatum? "Pay raise or I'm outta here" ?
No I said I'm very unhappy with my current salary. When I negotiated my salary the list of responsibilities was nowhere near the requirements of the job and I want to be compensated.
They definitely understand they are going to lose me but I never approach employers with threats. Not a good negotiation tactic imo.
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@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@dafyre said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@dafyre said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
I am in negotiations currently for a sizable raise or I walk. The issue is my fiance doesn't enjoy the risk/reward of it.
What? She doesn't want you to make more money? ... or she doesn't want you to be out of a job?
The risk of losing my job. She is a worrier though and doesn't understand the market for IT professionals
Did you give them the ultimatum? "Pay raise or I'm outta here" ?
No I said I'm very unhappy with my current salary. When I negotiated my salary the list of responsibilities was nowhere near the requirements of the job and I want to be compensated.
They definitely understand they are going to lose me but I never approach employers with threats. Not a good negotiation tactic imo.
Unless you already have a plan B job lined up... My problem is I am loyal to the people around me. I feel guilty as a snake for leaving them behind...but at the end of the day, I gotta look out for me and my family.
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@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@dafyre said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
@wirestyle22 said in Cerber virus/ransomware making the rounds...:
I am in negotiations currently for a sizable raise or I walk. The issue is my fiance doesn't enjoy the risk/reward of it.
What? She doesn't want you to make more money? ... or she doesn't want you to be out of a job?
The risk of losing my job. She is a worrier though and doesn't understand the market for IT professionals. It's very much in favor of the employee not the company trying to fill the position.
But doesn't she worry that staying will cripple your career? A true worrier should be more worried for you staying, as that is the riskier move, right? It's not that she is a worrier that is the problem, that's proximate. Look for the root. Why is she worried about the potential for being out of a job today and not worried about the future of a dramatically hampered career and long term earnings and long term job stability?
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@wirestyle22 This is the fork that you are looking for.
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But doesn't she worry that staying will cripple your career? A true worrier should be more worried for you staying, as that is the riskier move, right? It's not that she is a worrier that is the problem, that's proximate. Look for the root. Why is she worried about the potential for being out of a job today and not worried about the future of a dramatically hampered career and long term earnings and long term job stability?
From her perspective I have an unbelievable amount of job security, which is true. I could be here for the rest of my life if I wanted to. Between the two of us we will be making around $140k a year. From her standpoint that is more than enough for us. From my standpoint I'm making ob the bottom 20% of my peers. That isn't okay regardless of the situation.
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@wirestyle22 Yeah she's looking at you life and saying, we have enough, we don't need more (today).
But what she isn't seeing is that at another company someone doing the same job is making way more money for exactly the same work.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
From her perspective I have an unbelievable amount of job security, which is true. I could be here for the rest of my life if I wanted to.
That's never true. Those are the statements that I hear from the people with the least job security. Jobs like that are the ones that decrease your pay over time, increase your hours, or go out of business. Thinking that way is very, very risky thinking. Over time you atrophy and the company knows that you lose value and can't find other work. Find any company that doesn't leverage that over time.
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@DustinB3403 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 Yeah she's looking at you life and saying, we have enough, we don't need more (today).
But what she isn't seeing is that at another company someone doing the same job is making way more money for exactly the same work.
Right but shes coming from a place where she has her masters degree and operated as the working poor for 7 years. Like everyone she is applying her own experiences to the situation. I agree with you guys.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
Right but shes coming from a place where she has her masters degree and operated as the working poor for 7 years. Like everyone she is applying her own experiences to the situation.
I'm unclear how her experience would lead her to taking long term career risks today. What does getting a master's degree and not making much money for a long time have to do with wanting you to risk your financial options and stability down the road?
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If anything, having a Master's degree, one would hope that the lessons around perceived risk and how to protect your long term earnings and good thinking around life investing, critical thinking and such would be things she was practising for seven years. A good university experience should teach her to not be fearful of short term risk when used for long term stability.
