Linux skills are hard to find
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@PSX_Defector said:
Yeah, Windows is so fast on how it does things. Never mind the same driver method has been used since Windows 98. Or that the same command line utilities still work from NT 3.51. Or that Explorer hasn't changed since NT 4.0.
Windows 98 wasn't even the same OS family! Things have changed a LOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_Model
You were saying?
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@PSX_Defector said:
Take for example log reviews. Many of our Linux people cannot comprehend not using grep. Or even something as simple as disk cleanup. The C:\ drive is almost full, let's try nothing! Many don't even know what C:$Recyclin.Bin is, let alone empty it.
Where are you finding these people? I've never found a Linux admin that can't do Windows. Complain that it is convoluted, slow and silly, of course. But I don't know any that don't support Windows on the side and do so, mostly, in their sleep.
Half work at AWS, the other half at SoftLayer. They are complete and utter assholes when it comes to Windows.
It's rare to find anyone who is competent in both at a high level. I can find goons all day long.
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Cruft.
I swear I learn a new word every friggin' day here.
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@PSX_Defector said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@PSX_Defector said:
Yeah, Windows is so fast on how it does things. Never mind the same driver method has been used since Windows 98. Or that the same command line utilities still work from NT 3.51. Or that Explorer hasn't changed since NT 4.0.
Windows 98 wasn't even the same OS family! Things have changed a LOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_Model
You were saying?
So one thing hasn't changed since 1998? I don't see how this supports that things don't change. Yes, since 2000 the model hasn't changed. That's great, but not impressive. And it is only one thing and it is a cross-OS item.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@PSX_Defector said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@PSX_Defector said:
Yeah, Windows is so fast on how it does things. Never mind the same driver method has been used since Windows 98. Or that the same command line utilities still work from NT 3.51. Or that Explorer hasn't changed since NT 4.0.
Windows 98 wasn't even the same OS family! Things have changed a LOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_Model
You were saying?
So one thing hasn't changed since 1998? I don't see how this supports that things don't change. Yes, since 2000 the model hasn't changed. That's great, but not impressive. And it is only one thing and it is a cross-OS item.
Windows is evolutionary and revolutionary. There are tons of things from Windows 95 still in use, e.g. appwiz.cpl and Windows key shortcuts. There are tons of changes under the hood and look/feel is drastically changed from the desktop. But at the core, the same things I've done for close to 20 years still works. Even in Windows 10, Win+R brings up the run line, Win+Pause/Break brings up the system properties, cmd processes a batch file the same, and appwiz.cpl brings me the Programs install/uninstall. On the server side, dcpromo (from NT 4.0) brings up domain functions, MMC still runs all the management functions, and GPO items still refer to 2000 a lot.
You say Windows changes too much. I say that is complete and utter bullshit spouted by the same mentality that drives our Linux admins to never touch Windows.
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@PSX_Defector said in Linux skills are hard to find:
You say Windows changes too much. I say that is complete and utter bullshit spouted by the same mentality that drives our Linux admins to never touch Windows.
I might agree except for things like Windows Admins struggling with training due to change rates. Yes, somethings never change, Windows is famous for maintaining old systems more or less for forever for better or for worse. But the actual work that most Windows Admins actually do changes, a lot. Interfaces, under the hood, tool sets - there is a reason that Windows Admins sense a rate of change and a level of difficulty that the UNIX world does not sense.
And your cross section of cloud admins from Amazon and IBM is not a good example of Linux people. Two decades on UNIX and I can say that I see far more UNIX people willing to jump on Windows administration than Windows people.
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And DCPromo might be the same command. But SAM vs. AD management is pretty dramatically different.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
And DCPromo might be the same command. But SAM vs. AD management is pretty dramatically different.
You can't run the command DCPromo anymore.. It's GUI only.
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@Jason said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
And DCPromo might be the same command. But SAM vs. AD management is pretty dramatically different.
You can't run the command DCPromo anymore.. It's GUI only.
Really? What version made that change? I had not noticed that, yet.
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What do you do for DCPromo scenarios when you are on a headless box?
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huh - I've never run DCPromo solely form a command line. Guess I've never needed to.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
What do you do for DCPromo scenarios when you are on a headless box?
DCPromo was replaced by a powershell command.
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@coliver said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
What do you do for DCPromo scenarios when you are on a headless box?
DCPromo was replaced by a powershell command.
And a very complex one at that I have to look it up all the time.
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@Jason said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@coliver said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
What do you do for DCPromo scenarios when you are on a headless box?
DCPromo was replaced by a powershell command.
And a very complex one at that I have to look it up all the time.
Well, honestly, most things worth doing on a command line are complex. Microsoft does tend to take it to another level.
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@travisdh1 said in Linux skills are hard to find:
Well, honestly, most things worth doing on a command line are complex.
Not really. Linux commands aren't complex they are all easy to memorize.
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@Dashrender said in Linux skills are hard to find:
huh - I've never run DCPromo solely form a command line. Guess I've never needed to.
I've never run it any other way!
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@travisdh1 said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@Jason said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@coliver said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
What do you do for DCPromo scenarios when you are on a headless box?
DCPromo was replaced by a powershell command.
And a very complex one at that I have to look it up all the time.
Well, honestly, most things worth doing on a command line are complex. Microsoft does tend to take it to another level.
I find the Linux command line far less complex than the Window GUI. And with tools like apropos, it's ridiculously fast to find things that you don't know about.
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Apropos is yet another new thing @scottalanmiller takes for granted I've never heard of before. Looks much more efficient than using find just to look for a program that doesn't happen to be in $PATH!
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@travisdh1 said in Linux skills are hard to find:
Apropos is yet another new thing @scottalanmiller takes for granted I've never heard of before. Looks much more efficient than using find just to look for a program that doesn't happen to be in $PATH!
LOL it was taught for first time computer users when they took "intro to your computer lab" one hour course at college in 1994. Not an admin tool, just a general user tool on UNIX systems.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux skills are hard to find:
@travisdh1 said in Linux skills are hard to find:
Apropos is yet another new thing @scottalanmiller takes for granted I've never heard of before. Looks much more efficient than using find just to look for a program that doesn't happen to be in $PATH!
LOL it was taught for first time computer users when they took "intro to your computer lab" one hour course at college in 1994. Not an admin tool, just a general user tool on UNIX systems.
My Intro to UNIX course never mentioned it I don't think. Learned a lot more in a couple of 1 week training sessions at SGI than 2 years of college... not that anyone is going to be surprised by that.
