Common Core haters
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@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
It's not the budget, it is what is paid to the teaching staff that is the issue.
We pay teachers? Could've fooled me from the budgets I looked at, grr!
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The issue with the Common Core is not the Common Core itself. That's actually just a standard of what kids should know at different levels. It's actually not half bad. A bit slack, but anything in public education is.
People associate sometimes whacky and nonsensical teaching methods and standardized testing with Common Core. Those are actually the things that people hate or are having issues with.
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@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
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@travisdh1 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
It's not the budget, it is what is paid to the teaching staff that is the issue.
We pay teachers? Could've fooled me from the budgets I looked at, grr!
Remember, no one is truly mandating the public school to provide education. They are a combination of babysitting and social control.
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
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I've actually had teachers tell me, through a series of combinations, that high school is not there to teach anything, that's why they only see college education as valuable because high school is for sports and college is where you learn the things that we all assume people should have been learning in high school.
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
Yeah, in NY they lose a lot of them. In Texas it's huge business. But then again, absolutely no one cares about education in Texas. Honestly, if they didn't have the sports the whole state would tear itself apart so it's probably a good thing.
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
Which is why I mentioned the double negative. I disagree with school sanctioned sports as a principle. I can understand some benefits but there are a lot more negatives.
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
Ohio, Oklahoma and Texas are pretty crazy. The degree to which they are willing to give up education is insane.
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
Not where I was from. Not in the least. There was a small amount when our football team made it to tenth in state all class in 1990 or 1991, but that was it. It was minor. People came out to see them more than normal. It was interesting. But it was still background noise in the school day.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
Not where I was from. Not in the least. There was a small amount when our football team made it to tenth in state all class in 1990 or 1991, but that was it. It was minor. People came out to see them more than normal. It was interesting. But it was still background noise in the school day.
That's strange. I am from a small town surrounded by small towns. In each one Football and to a lesser extent Basketball (boys) is what people live and breathe. To the point where there have been issues in the past where students who were failing would be given a pass to play because it was a "big game".
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
F*** [moderated] that shit, it's pretty much from 5:00PM to 12:00AM around here.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
Which is why I mentioned the double negative. I disagree with school sanctioned sports as a principle. I can understand some benefits but there are a lot more negatives.
Agreed - I'm completely against sports in k-12 schools. Those expenses should be on those that want to participate, and charities that want to prop them up, not on the whole population.
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
It's so bad that my friend has fond memories of going town to town beating up other town's teams.. it's way worse in rural America from the sounds of it.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
Which is why I mentioned the double negative. I disagree with school sanctioned sports as a principle. I can understand some benefits but there are a lot more negatives.
Agreed - I'm completely against sports in k-12 schools. Those expenses should be on those that want to participate, and charities that want to prop them up, not on the whole population.
And kids should not be rewarded, but penalized, for participating.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
It's so bad that my friend has fond memories of going town to town beating up other town's teams.. it's way worse in rural America from the sounds of it.
Even where sports weren't a big thing we sometimes had to have police escorts because other teams would get so violent after losing a match.
