Axigen X Released
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@DustinB3403 said:
So is Axigen supposed to be a hosted solution that I would configure and setup my self on a Axigen server as a VM?
No, it is normal software, as we originally thought. Not hosted.
Although you could, I'm sure, find a hosting partner for it that is not Axigen directly.
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@axigen said:
We tried to synthesize the top 10 benefits that we see in our product/services mix here: https://www.axigen.com/usr/files/Why-Choose-Axigen.pdf
The list is high-level and incomplete but, for skimming purposes, it is a good start.
@scottalanmiller and @Service-Providers would love to receive your feedback.
Before I read this, I do want to point out that I noticed the 100% Europe bit, which I totally appreciate as a reason why it strongly competes on security concerns with other proprietary products. Made in the USA is a scary thing, even moreso recently.
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@axigen said:
Also I'd note that this initial thread here is not started by us. We were invited by @aaronstuder. I hoped that this would be a constructive conversation.
I hoped so too, but clearly @scottalanmiller likes to bash a product BEFORE he even tries if for himself. Also, I was hoping that @axigen might be a good vendor for @groovesocial to have, but with @scottalanmiller running people off not sure how that will happen now
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@DustinB3403 said:
How does the user licensing come into play? I need details to understand what this offers me.
Would be the same way that it does with Exchange, more or less. If you are deploying locally (or in a VM hosted on IaaS) you need a license for each user, basically a CAL. Nothing odd there.
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@aaronstuder said:
@axigen said:
Also I'd note that this initial thread here is not started by us. We were invited by @aaronstuder. I hoped that this would be a constructive conversation.
I hoped so too, but clearly @scottalanmiller likes to bash a product BEFORE he even tries if for himself. Also, I was hoping that @axigen might be a good vendor for @groovesocial to have, but with @scottalanmiller running people off not sure how that will happen now
I didn't bash it, I asked why you felt it was good. That's not the same. I pointed out that looking at the web site I saw nothing compelling and wanted to know what I should be looking for as the benefits were non-obvious.
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@scottalanmiller said:
But not open source, what's the selling point? Why would you want an alternative to the value, benefits, security and protection of open source?
Here is my initial post. The web page showed nothing of specific value and only listed that it was an alternative to things with their own benefits from their licensing. So I was unclear where the benefit was. I'm about to go read their reference for that, but this wasn't even slightly bashing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
No, it is normal software, as we originally thought. Not hosted.
You are right @scottalanmiller. On the other hand, we do have also a "hosting"-like business but it is dedicated to large SPs that want a hybrid on-premies / Managed Services / license mix. The offer is a little more complex to be summarized here.
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@scottalanmiller said:
So my main question is... taking a quick glance at this product it falls into the "who cares" category for me. I see nothing good about it on the surface and nothing to cause me to look any deeper. What's the proposed value? It's up against software that is fully free, way safer to use and has huge user bases and decades of refinement. What made you look at this software and not immediately browse away?
Here's the next thing that I said of any substance. Again, no bashing at all. I was clarifying that I looked, didn't see what had compelled you, and was looking for why you felt it was worth more investigation given that it has a licensing negative and is not free - which its competitors mostly are.
Very far from bashing. The only real "bashing" would be from the lack of a response as to why it has benefits.
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So, @aaronstuder , I take it you work for Axigen? I know the vendor badges here are voluntary, but it's kinda dickish to promote a product while pretending to not be a vendor....
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@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
No, it is normal software, as we originally thought. Not hosted.
You are right @scottalanmiller. On the other hand, we do have also a "hosting"-like business but it is dedicated to large SPs that want a hybrid on-premies / Managed Services / license mix. The offer is a little more complex to be summarized here.
Makes sense.... sounds like sort of a "hosting in conjunction with..." sort of thing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
So is Axigen supposed to be a hosted solution that I would configure and setup my self on a Axigen server as a VM?
No, it is normal software, as we originally thought. Not hosted.
Although you could, I'm sure, find a hosting partner for it that is not Axigen directly.
So I'd have to run this locally.... and
@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
How does the user licensing come into play? I need details to understand what this offers me.
Would be the same way that it does with Exchange, more or less. If you are deploying locally (or in a VM hosted on IaaS) you need a license for each user, basically a CAL. Nothing odd there.
I'd have to maintain a server, and backup for this server and email. O365 seems a lot less work on my part...
What is the licensing cost?
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@RojoLoco said:
So, @aaronstuder , I take it you work for Axigen? I know the vendor badges here are voluntary, but it's kinda dickish to promote a product while pretending to not be a vendor....
He doesn't, I agree that it sounded that way, but I know that he doesn't work for them. He might be a customer, but not an employee.
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To be clear, he might NOT be a customer, I have no idea. I just know that he is definitely not an employee.
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@scottalanmiller said:
[...] the lack of a response as to why it has benefits.
If you have the time, please start with the PDF provided...
@RojoLoco No, @aaronstuder does not work Axigen.
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@axigen I'm sure I could look this up but while you are here... where in Europe are you based?
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@scottalanmiller I havn't tried it yes, but I think the product is very interesting.
It supports Windows, great for shops without any Linux people. It's supported, which is a plus.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@RojoLoco said:
So, @aaronstuder , I take it you work for Axigen? I know the vendor badges here are voluntary, but it's kinda dickish to promote a product while pretending to not be a vendor....
He doesn't, I agree that it sounded that way, but I know that he doesn't work for them. He might be a customer, but not an employee.
His OP says "built on our unique mail server technology..." If he doesn't work for them, he's an unknowing shill (kinda worse in my book).
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller I havn't tried it yes, but I think the product is very interesting.
It supports Windows, great for shops without any Linux people. It's supported, which is a plus.
Exchange is supported on Windows.....
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@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen I'm sure I could look this up but while you are here... where in Europe are you based?
we are in Bucharest, Romania, here: https://www.axigen.com/about-us/contact/
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Point 2: We put a lot of effort to make Axigen run on the widest platform range. Choose what fits you — from Windows to many Linux flavors , BSD, or Solaris and feel free to switch anytime.
It's more than Linux and Windows and that's important because lots of people go after those two. Being officially supported on BSD and Solaris is really nice. I'm not going to say that it is a huge benefit, but it is a small one and a nice feature. I'd love to run my email on BSD or Solaris, rather than Linux, but that's pretty minor as long as it runs on CentOS. But that's me, I'm the .01% here. For nearly anyone, it is going to be Linux of some flavour. Because of the "non-open" nature, I'm sure that there is a solid Windows deploy base that open solutions do not have because they are going after the "we don't want open" market as well, which open products obviously cannot go after.
