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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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      @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

      @coliver said

      I guess I'm not following, you were asking how to access something installed on Dom0. Did I misunderstand the question?

      @scottalanmiller said you could administer the array from a VM as long as it wasn't on the same array. I didn't understand why that would matter. Obviously if you werer going to torch the array, then yes. But why else would it matter?

      It matters for when you are NOT going to do it but just going to manage while it is rebuilding.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
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        Changing the array doesn't required a reboot. You should be able to do that on the fly.
        So if you are hitting off a SD or USB you could attach to iDrac and then to the controller software, then manage the array, all while XS is up and running.

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        • BRRABillB
          BRRABill
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          @scottalanmiller

          Got it.

          So we're really just trying to avoid rebooting.

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          • coliverC
            coliver @BRRABill
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            @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

            @coliver said

            I guess I'm not following, you were asking how to access something installed on Dom0. Did I misunderstand the question?

            @scottalanmiller said you could administer the array from a VM as long as it wasn't on the same array. I didn't understand why that would matter. Obviously if you werer going to torch the array, then yes. But why else would it matter?

            Because if the array pops you won't be able to access the remote management piece of it. Out-of-band management, like the Dell iDrac, shouldn't be installed on the thing it is managing. This is why the iDrac is a separate machine.

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            • BRRABillB
              BRRABill @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said

              Changing the array doesn't required a reboot. You should be able to do that on the fly.
              So if you are hitting off a SD or USB you could attach to iDrac and then to the controller software, then manage the array, all while XS is up and running.

              The RAID options are very limited from the iDRAC.

              Looks like I will need to install OMSA on the XS.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @BRRABill
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                @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                @Dashrender said

                Changing the array doesn't required a reboot. You should be able to do that on the fly.
                So if you are hitting off a SD or USB you could attach to iDrac and then to the controller software, then manage the array, all while XS is up and running.

                The RAID options are very limited from the iDRAC.

                Looks like I will need to install OMSA on the XS.

                Limited, sure. But limited beyond what you really need to do?

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                • BRRABillB
                  BRRABill @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said

                  Limited, sure. But limited beyond what you really need to do?

                  It's hard to say at this point.

                  Most of what I have had to do is deal with foreign config on the array/disk, but ONLY after a cold boot. So, it's never been something I could look into.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                    @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                    @scottalanmiller

                    Got it.

                    So we're really just trying to avoid rebooting.

                    Exactly, because if the server is still functional in any way (rebuilding) then rebooting puts the data at risk.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender
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                      Once you move to booting not off the array, you should have to cold boot much amnymore, unless the drives require it to come back online

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                        @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                        @scottalanmiller

                        Got it.

                        So we're really just trying to avoid rebooting.

                        Exactly, because if the server is still functional in any way (rebuilding) then rebooting puts the data at risk.

                        Thanks, so I wasn't crazy for saying that last night.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                          @scottalanmiller said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                          @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                          @scottalanmiller

                          Got it.

                          So we're really just trying to avoid rebooting.

                          Exactly, because if the server is still functional in any way (rebuilding) then rebooting puts the data at risk.

                          Thanks, so I wasn't crazy for saying that last night.

                          You aren't crazy for saying that.

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                          • BRRABillB
                            BRRABill @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said

                            Thanks, so I wasn't crazy for saying that last night.

                            Did I call you crazy? If so, I apologize. I know I was GOING crazy. 🙂

                            Not really dealing with this stuff a lot, I was trusting DELL tech support to know what they were doing.

                            Their take is to let is build to like 5%, and then it is perfectly safe to reboot.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                              @Dashrender said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                              @scottalanmiller said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                              @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                              @scottalanmiller

                              Got it.

                              So we're really just trying to avoid rebooting.

                              Exactly, because if the server is still functional in any way (rebuilding) then rebooting puts the data at risk.

                              Thanks, so I wasn't crazy for saying that last night.

                              You aren't crazy for saying that.

                              Never said I wasn't crazy in general.😂

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                              • BRRABillB
                                BRRABill
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                                I mean, in theory, the array has instructions for rebuilding, right?

                                It has a plan of what to d, block by block. It just pauses on reboot.

                                Now, if you unplugged it, yeah I could see an issue there.

                                But isn't it possible it is smart enough to just pick back up?

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender
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                                  Sure it is, but it is still a risk. And I've luckily never had to reboot while replacing a drive, different problem from you, so this has never come up fort me. My systems just stay up and running.

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                                  • BRRABillB
                                    BRRABill
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                                    I did a few Google search. It seems like other places (including Adaptec) also say rebooting a rebuilding array is perfectly safe.

                                    Not arguing with anyone, just questioning why the people making the RAID hardware seem to think it is OK, but ML does not.

                                    http://blog.adaptec.com/2015/05/13/a-technical-issue-regarding-raid-buildrebuild/

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                      @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                                      I did a few Google search. It seems like other places (including Adaptec) also say rebooting a rebuilding array is perfectly safe.

                                      Of course they do, you are reading their marketing.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller
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                                        VMware advocates moving running workloads around, too. But you should fire anyone who did it in production based on that recommendation. I've seen people do that thinking that they would not get caught because "Vmware said it was safe" and brought down a bank because of it (hint: it wasn't safe.)

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                                          @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                                          @scottalanmiller said

                                          That means that the PERC has failed. That's a different issue.

                                          Are we back to that?

                                          I mean, it's definitely on the table. Just not sure why all of a sudden you think that's so likely.

                                          Because you said that it was rebuilding. The PERC should remain up and viable even without disks attached to it. You can continue to manage it online through the iDRAC or a VM that isn't using those drives.

                                          You do not manage Dell PERC through iDRAC or a VM.

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                                            @BRRABill said in Dell PERC Question (Server Down):

                                            I did a few Google search. It seems like other places (including Adaptec) also say rebooting a rebuilding array is perfectly safe.

                                            Of course they do, you are reading their marketing.

                                            I've done it many times over the years and never once had a failure. Yes it is a risk, but it is also adding downtime waiting for a rebuild to happen.

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