Do you charge up front for a job?
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https://creativemornings.com/talks/mike-monteiro--2/1
This video is something you should watch.
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I guess I should have forced him to use Paypal. I would have had a much easier time getting my money back.
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I still haven't heard anything from him and he has been online several times since I posted this.
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Whoever this is, better wake up, because this is a god way to never get any work ever again.
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Don't look at it like the job is incomplete.. Look at it like you got some or most of the job done for $150. Just cut him loose and pay someone else to finish it. You don't have to have someone necessarily redo everything in the project.
Side note, I never charge or pay up front. That entails someone wants commitment or they are desperate. In my experience they are 50/50 but it's just bad taste. If it is a project that will take months, I charge for milestones. Short jobs are pay with an ending invoice. Everything is in writing so you are gonna get sued if you try to dine and dash.
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@BBigford said:
Don't look at it like the job is incomplete.. Look at it like you got some or most of the job done for $150. Just cut him loose and pay someone else to finish it. You don't have to have someone necessarily redo everything in the project.
That doesn't work for all job types. Some things can easily be handed over. Others, not so much.
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@BBigford said:
Don't look at it like the job is incomplete.. Look at it like you got some or most of the job done for $150. Just cut him loose and pay someone else to finish it. You don't have to have someone necessarily redo everything in the project.
Side note, I never charge or pay up front. That entails someone wants commitment or they are desperate. In my experience they are 50/50 but it's just bad taste. If it is a project that will take months, I charge for milestones. Short jobs are pay with an ending invoice. Everything is in writing so you are gonna get sued if you try to dine and dash.
In reality I got nothing, and like scott said in this particular instance you need the original author to follow through on the process to make it work. Web design is mostly creativity and seeing things all the way to the end.
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And how is the "volume" of creative work defined? Perhaps 99% of the work is in coming up with the idea. What if you pay someone to say write a song, or paint a chapel and they don't do a single thing but when it comes time to argue about what percentage to pay they say "well I came up with the song, I just didn't write it down, so I did 99% of the work, I need 99% of the money."
There is no way to realistically measure how much work is done. The amount of work done on one side might easily be over 100% of the "anticipated" original work while the work turned over is equivalent of zero. Which side's percentage do you use?
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@scottalanmiller said:
And how is the "volume" of creative work defined? Perhaps 99% of the work is in coming up with the idea. What if you pay someone to say write a song, or paint a chapel and they don't do a single thing but when it comes time to argue about what percentage to pay they say "well I came up with the song, I just didn't write it down, so I did 99% of the work, I need 99% of the money."
There is no way to realistically measure how much work is done. The amount of work done on one side might easily be over 100% of the "anticipated" original work while the work turned over is equivalent of zero. Which side's percentage do you use?
If you are going to commission art, you come up with the idea but never paint the painting. I would call that zero real gain because you have nothing in hand.
Even if you go to another artist, he is going to interpret what you want in a different way.
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@IRJ said:
If you are going to commission art, you come up with the idea but never paint the painting. I would call that zero real gain because you have nothing in hand.
But some would argue that nearly all of the work was completed. It's a dangerous thing when not delivering the product counts as partial effort.
We just had a huge thread about that topic, too.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
If you are going to commission art, you come up with the idea but never paint the painting. I would call that zero real gain because you have nothing in hand.
But some would argue that nearly all of the work was completed. It's a dangerous thing when not delivering the product counts as partial effort.
We just had a huge thread about that topic, too.
Do you believe I received anything of value? I sure as hell don't
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@IRJ said:
Do you believe I received anything of value? I sure as hell don't
I don't know if you received anything at all
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Seems like you might as well call them out.. Epically since we know it's web design it narrows it down two 3 or 4 users on here and will make the others look bad until the one is called out!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
Don't look at it like the job is incomplete.. Look at it like you got some or most of the job done for $150. Just cut him loose and pay someone else to finish it. You don't have to have someone necessarily redo everything in the project.
That doesn't work for all job types. Some things can easily be handed over. Others, not so much.
Trying to look at the bright side, but you are right.
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@IRJ Your funny
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Well I redid the homepage myself, added a recent posts popup on the bottom, added reactions to each post, and removed all recent posts from the sidebar. I have a plan on the side bar, but the plugin I am working with is a little complicated so I want to get it down right.
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@John-Nicholson said:
@IRJ Your funny
I am not sure what is funny about this situation? Can you enlighten me?
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Here is the homepage:
Here is an example of a post:
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@IRJ PayPal are space pirates on getting money back. Beyond that assuming he does what I do (link it to a checking account that is kept at zero $ and is a clearing account) you can't claw back anything even if they try (My bank will bounce the request). Escrow fights are just not worth the time for $150.
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@John-Nicholson said:
@IRJ PayPal are space pirates on getting money back. Beyond that assuming he does what I do (link it to a checking account that is kept at zero $ and is a clearing account) you can't claw back anything even if they try (My bank will bounce the request). Escrow fights are just not worth the time for $150.
I have had great luck with Paypal. They will give your money back even if the guy who takes it has zero. I have dealt with Paypal many times and have been on both sides of disputes.
Unfortunately I didn't pay with Paypal. Anyway, I don't understand why a vendor this that it's funny that I lost money and a month's time on my website.
