Windows Phone :(
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@johnhooks said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@johnhooks said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@johnhooks said:
@IRJ said:
@johnhooks said:
Internet Explorer... No explanation needed. I am sure there are other browsers, but IE is terrible.
Last I heard Opera was the only one that wasn't based on IE. I think even that squirrel browser or whatever it's called is based on IE. So really IE is your only option, and I think the phone version is worse than the desktop version if that's possible.
Is it worse than the Windows 8 Metro version? LOL
It might be a tie. It's so bad. That was probably the biggest reason I couldn't stand using my Windows phone other than the lack of apps.
And the apps that do exist look like they were made by high schoolers.
I'd make crappy apps for college credit to be fair
I don't think it's actually made by them that's the problem. If it was, that would be fine.
You would think MS would pay developers to develop on their platform since they're this far behind. Instead of mulling the idea of buying Slack for $8 billion, get people to use the junk you already have.
but can you actually prove it wasn't made by highschoolers?
That's impossible, but a quick glance through shows a lot are by companies.
Either way, the apps are really bad...
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@IRJ said:
@johnhooks said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@johnhooks said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@johnhooks said:
@IRJ said:
@johnhooks said:
Internet Explorer... No explanation needed. I am sure there are other browsers, but IE is terrible.
Last I heard Opera was the only one that wasn't based on IE. I think even that squirrel browser or whatever it's called is based on IE. So really IE is your only option, and I think the phone version is worse than the desktop version if that's possible.
Is it worse than the Windows 8 Metro version? LOL
It might be a tie. It's so bad. That was probably the biggest reason I couldn't stand using my Windows phone other than the lack of apps.
And the apps that do exist look like they were made by high schoolers.
I'd make crappy apps for college credit to be fair
I don't think it's actually made by them that's the problem. If it was, that would be fine.
You would think MS would pay developers to develop on their platform since they're this far behind. Instead of mulling the idea of buying Slack for $8 billion, get people to use the junk you already have.
but can you actually prove it wasn't made by highschoolers?
That's impossible, but a quick glance through shows a lot are by companies.
Either way, the apps are really bad...
@Dashrender is one of our local WP die hard users.. Surprised he has avoided this thread.
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@IRJ said:
There are alot of Windows mobile fanboys on SW. I was really surprised to see so many tech people like it.
WinPho has a ton of promise if it integrated deeply and took advantage of the microsoft ecosystem. Unfortunately it's a couple years late, the market has already distilled down to two major players.
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@johnhooks said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@johnhooks said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@johnhooks said:
@IRJ said:
@johnhooks said:
Internet Explorer... No explanation needed. I am sure there are other browsers, but IE is terrible.
Last I heard Opera was the only one that wasn't based on IE. I think even that squirrel browser or whatever it's called is based on IE. So really IE is your only option, and I think the phone version is worse than the desktop version if that's possible.
Is it worse than the Windows 8 Metro version? LOL
It might be a tie. It's so bad. That was probably the biggest reason I couldn't stand using my Windows phone other than the lack of apps.
And the apps that do exist look like they were made by high schoolers.
I'd make crappy apps for college credit to be fair
I don't think it's actually made by them that's the problem. If it was, that would be fine.
You would think MS would pay developers to develop on their platform since they're this far behind. Instead of mulling the idea of buying Slack for $8 billion, get people to use the junk you already have.
but can you actually prove it wasn't made by highschoolers?
That's impossible, but a quick glance through shows a lot are by companies.
I'm completely kidding
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@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
There are alot of Windows mobile fanboys on SW. I was really surprised to see so many tech people like it.
WinPho has a ton of promise if it integrated deeply and took advantage of the microsoft ecosystem. Unfortunately it's a couple years late, the market has already distilled down to two major players.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Microsoft is an old player in the mobile market. They have been around longer than Apple and Google. I have been hearing they have potential for years...
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@IRJ said:
@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
There are alot of Windows mobile fanboys on SW. I was really surprised to see so many tech people like it.
WinPho has a ton of promise if it integrated deeply and took advantage of the microsoft ecosystem. Unfortunately it's a couple years late, the market has already distilled down to two major players.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Microsoft is an old player in the mobile market. They have been around longer than Apple and Google. I have been hearing they have potential for years...
yea, my first "smart" phone was an HP iPaq running Windows Mobile 5.
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@brianlittlejohn said:
@IRJ said:
@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
There are alot of Windows mobile fanboys on SW. I was really surprised to see so many tech people like it.
WinPho has a ton of promise if it integrated deeply and took advantage of the microsoft ecosystem. Unfortunately it's a couple years late, the market has already distilled down to two major players.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Microsoft is an old player in the mobile market. They have been around longer than Apple and Google. I have been hearing they have potential for years...
yea, my first "smart" phone was an HP iPaq running Windows Mobile 5.
I remember comparing Palm OS and Windows to each other.
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I was at a thrift store a few months ago and they had a brand new never opened Palm device. I wanted to buy it, but they wanted $50 for it!! lol
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@IRJ said:
@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
There are alot of Windows mobile fanboys on SW. I was really surprised to see so many tech people like it.
WinPho has a ton of promise if it integrated deeply and took advantage of the microsoft ecosystem. Unfortunately it's a couple years late, the market has already distilled down to two major players.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Microsoft is an old player in the mobile market. They have been around longer than Apple and Google. I have been hearing they have potential for years...
I meant winpho specifically but you're 100% correct. Don't forget about WinCE too
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@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
There are alot of Windows mobile fanboys on SW. I was really surprised to see so many tech people like it.
WinPho has a ton of promise if it integrated deeply and took advantage of the microsoft ecosystem. Unfortunately it's a couple years late, the market has already distilled down to two major players.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Microsoft is an old player in the mobile market. They have been around longer than Apple and Google. I have been hearing they have potential for years...
I meant winpho specifically but you're 100% correct. Don't forget about WinCE too
That wasn't directed at you, but there are alot of people that feel sorry for MS and treat them like a new player/underdog in the industry. They say things like they have potential or they are improving with each version.
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@IRJ said:
@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
There are alot of Windows mobile fanboys on SW. I was really surprised to see so many tech people like it.
WinPho has a ton of promise if it integrated deeply and took advantage of the microsoft ecosystem. Unfortunately it's a couple years late, the market has already distilled down to two major players.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Microsoft is an old player in the mobile market. They have been around longer than Apple and Google. I have been hearing they have potential for years...
I meant winpho specifically but you're 100% correct. Don't forget about WinCE too
That wasn't directed at you, but there are alot of people that feel sorry for MS and treat them like a new player/underdog in the industry. They say things like they have potential or they are improving with each version.
Which brings me to my next tech recommendation, the Scholes and Glidden Typewriter seen below:
Now I know you think the other brands have something to offer but I'm here to tell you this typewriter is here to stay. You will never find a better typewriter.
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@IRJ said:
they have potential or they are improving with each version.
They have just insane potential to tie into AD and Group Policy to produce a phone with fully integrated MDM, not to mention easy to administer and you could use powershell to do all sorts of awesome stuff...
I just don't know why they've ... well, frankly screwed the pooch for so long. I'm sure that what I'm suggesting is complex beyond belief but we are talking about the company that brought us Flight Simulator.
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@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
they have potential or they are improving with each version.
They have just insane potential to tie into AD and Group Policy to produce a phone with fully integrated MDM, not to mention easy to administer and you could use powershell to do all sorts of awesome stuff...
I just don't know why they've ... well, frankly screwed the pooch for so long.
Sure, but their base OS has to be amazing first. We are long way off from that. They need to do more than sell tech people. The majority of users are non-tech and will surely prefer an iphone or android device.
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@MattSpeller said:
They have just insane potential to tie into AD and Group Policy to produce a phone with fully integrated MDM,
Do they? In what way is that better than the same potential from Android? Android could do that tomorrow, if it wanted.
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@IRJ said:
@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ said:
they have potential or they are improving with each version.
They have just insane potential to tie into AD and Group Policy to produce a phone with fully integrated MDM, not to mention easy to administer and you could use powershell to do all sorts of awesome stuff...
I just don't know why they've ... well, frankly screwed the pooch for so long.
Sure, but their base OS has to be amazing first. We are long way off from that. They need to do more than sell tech people. The majority of users are non-tech and will surely prefer an iphone or android device.
Burns my biscuits that they haven't figured out a good solid OS for these little devices. Such an opportunity to learn from all their mistakes building Windows!
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You can't expect a single company to be focused enough to do everything Microsoft does.
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@IRJ said:
My Samsung Note Edge got water damage over the weekend so I have been using a Nokia Lumina 521. I understand that it is a cheap Windows Phone so I am not dinging it on performance. The OS itself is what sucks. I am running Windows 8.1 on it.
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The tiles suck. There is a reason people like icons vs. tiles. Microsoft should know better since people are obsessed with desktop icons and icons are the mainstream on Android and iOS. You might think the tiles look pretty, but they suck and just cause you to do more scrolling.
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No apps. I knew this before i even tried the Windows Phone, but I didn't expect the app selection to be so poor. I am lucky to find 10% of my android apps. It makes everything more difficult when it comes to managing VPS servers, various email accounts, cloudflare, and alot of other apps that make administration easy.
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Internet Explorer... No explanation needed. I am sure there are other browsers, but IE is terrible.
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Ineffecient scrolling. When I go through a list of apps, I get a vertical list of A-Z apps. I can scroll through Android and iOS much faster because I may have A-D on the same screen, and if I want to get to R, I only have to quickly scroll 3 or 4 pages. On Windows I have to scroll pretty far down. It only takes an extra second, but that matters in the long term.
1 - Tiles do something for many apps. You can stack and folder the non live tiles to create more room. My home screen doesn't scroll because I've organized it this way.
2 - Pretty much
3 - I've not had much issue with IE on the phone
4 - You can tap a letter header to jump to a particular section of your apps list. -
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@Kelly said:
1 - Tiles do something for many apps. You can stack and folder the non live tiles to create more room. My home screen doesn't scroll because I've organized it this way.
Do "something", yes. When I had a Windows phone, not a single one did anything useful. All they did was get in the way.
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@Kelly said:
4 - You can tap a letter header to jump to a particular section of your apps list.
I think he knew that. When I agreed that the scrolling was inefficient, that was assuming the letter thing. Having to know ever app by name is another annoyance. On my iPhone everything is so quick and easy to get to. Humans, most of them anyway, deal with images far better than names. Two screens of icons and I get to everything that I need.
Windows Phone makes the same mistake that their do on the desktop... assuming that I want to memorize the proper names and search for every app that I use rather than just selecting it. It's the same interface problems going from one to the other. Same things that made Metro so unusable.
