Eliminate Print Servers: go LANless?
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
I've inquire with the powers that be if they would like a print to mobile device like option.
The thinking is... Instead of paper. The document could just be sent to a phone or ipad/android tablet, etc. 99% of the time the look and throw away... This would avoid the waste.
Anyone see a anything like this?
Unlikely. There's a lot to go on in the backend with something like that.
Sure there could be a lot on the backend... But I would think this would be immensely useful. Though I'm not sure how you'd do it in a LANless setup... I suppose with something like ZT it might be easier.
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I could envision this as an app loaded on the rading device.... And the printing devices would just send their print to the designated user on that app. The app would then pole a central place just like email.
But unlike email the user doesn't want to have to open each message... They just scroll page by page.
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@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
I've inquire with the powers that be if they would like a print to mobile device like option.
The thinking is... Instead of paper. The document could just be sent to a phone or ipad/android tablet, etc. 99% of the time the look and throw away... This would avoid the waste.
Anyone see a anything like this?
Unlikely. There's a lot to go on in the backend with something like that.
Sure there could be a lot on the backend... But I would think this would be immensely useful. Though I'm not sure how you'd do it in a LANless setup... I suppose with something like ZT it might be easier.
How would ZeroTeir be involved? You'd have mobile devices with an app on it from the vendor who would make this, each user would have an account or ID to enter on both the computer and tablet to print from the computer to a viewer on the tablet. Remember Mobile devices sandbox their apps. This would require a cloud service. Would this really be worth the expense over emailing a PDF to yourself?
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Our nursing staff is constantly asked to get records from another system for our doc to look at for 20 second before being tossed right into the shred bin.
This would eliminate that waste. And actually possibly allow a safer situation for the information, you're done with it.. Delete it. Could be setup for auto delete after x days, less risk of paper going missing and not being shred.
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@Dashrender said:
Our nursing staff is constantly asked to get records from another system for our doc to look at for 20 second before being tossed right into the shred bin.
This would eliminate that waste. And actually possibly allow a safer situation for the information, you're done with it.. Delete it. Could be setup for auto delete after x days, less risk of paper going missing and not being shred.
Seems like thinking about it the wrong way. If the records are already in digital form why is printing needed just because they do it now. a better solution would be a mobile app for the patient record system.
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@Jason yes, because making pdfs takes several steps and that's before you open the email client.
Then the doc has to open each one on email, download and open locally taking no less than two clicks and probably more.
Pdfs are to cumbersome for them. Just accept this fact.
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@Dashrender said:
Pdfs are to cumbersome for them. Just accept this fact.
PDFs are no more cumbersome than actual printing. There is no reason this problem even needs any kinda of printing involved. The information is digital, they want to view digitally. Why even have printing step?
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
Our nursing staff is constantly asked to get records from another system for our doc to look at for 20 second before being tossed right into the shred bin.
This would eliminate that waste. And actually possibly allow a safer situation for the information, you're done with it.. Delete it. Could be setup for auto delete after x days, less risk of paper going missing and not being shred.
Seems like thinking about it the wrong way. If the records are already in digital form why is printing needed just because they do it now. a better solution would be a mobile app for the patient record system.
You'd like to think that, the info is in another system. Bit that requires digging around in that system to find it... So they pay the staff to spend mins digging instead of themselves. Then once they find it... There is no way to keep it front and center while moving onto those next task without printing or something similar.
If you have an outside the box idea for that I'm all ears.
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@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
Our nursing staff is constantly asked to get records from another system for our doc to look at for 20 second before being tossed right into the shred bin.
This would eliminate that waste. And actually possibly allow a safer situation for the information, you're done with it.. Delete it. Could be setup for auto delete after x days, less risk of paper going missing and not being shred.
Seems like thinking about it the wrong way. If the records are already in digital form why is printing needed just because they do it now. a better solution would be a mobile app for the patient record system.
You'd like to think that, the info is in another system. Bit that requires digging around in that system to find it... So they pay the staff to spend mins digging instead of themselves. Then once they find it... There is no way to keep it front and center while moving onto those next task without printing or something similar.
If you have an outside the box idea for that I'm all ears.
What I don't really get is how does physical paper do this when digital paper does not? It is that they can't resist playing Flappy Birds between office visits? If the staff get a PDF or other information up on the screen and hands it to the doctor, how is that more confusing than paper?
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@Dashrender said:
You'd like to think that, the info is in another system. Bit that requires digging around in that system to find it... So they pay the staff to spend mins digging instead of themselves. Then once they find it... There is no way to keep it front and center while moving onto those next task without printing or something similar.
So you have an issue with data presentation and organization not printing. The data is already there they just need an app to display it properly.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
Our nursing staff is constantly asked to get records from another system for our doc to look at for 20 second before being tossed right into the shred bin.
This would eliminate that waste. And actually possibly allow a safer situation for the information, you're done with it.. Delete it. Could be setup for auto delete after x days, less risk of paper going missing and not being shred.
Seems like thinking about it the wrong way. If the records are already in digital form why is printing needed just because they do it now. a better solution would be a mobile app for the patient record system.
You'd like to think that, the info is in another system. Bit that requires digging around in that system to find it... So they pay the staff to spend mins digging instead of themselves. Then once they find it... There is no way to keep it front and center while moving onto those next task without printing or something similar.
If you have an outside the box idea for that I'm all ears.
What I don't really get is how does physical paper do this when digital paper does not? It is that they can't resist playing Flappy Birds between office visits? If the staff get a PDF or other information up on the screen and hands it to the doctor, how is that more confusing than paper?
Creating a PDF steps.
Click print
Choose PDF printer
Give name for file - assume location on network to be saved is automatic
Grab iPad
Find file open file
Hand to docPrinting or app idea.
Click print
Choose ap or printer
Grab ipad/paper
If pad launch app otherwise skip
Hand paper or pad to docAt minimum it saves the step of the employee naming the PDF.
Next you'll say well just accept the default. That still means the staff have to remember that file name to find on the pad.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
Our nursing staff is constantly asked to get records from another system for our doc to look at for 20 second before being tossed right into the shred bin.
This would eliminate that waste. And actually possibly allow a safer situation for the information, you're done with it.. Delete it. Could be setup for auto delete after x days, less risk of paper going missing and not being shred.
Seems like thinking about it the wrong way. If the records are already in digital form why is printing needed just because they do it now. a better solution would be a mobile app for the patient record system.
You'd like to think that, the info is in another system. Bit that requires digging around in that system to find it... So they pay the staff to spend mins digging instead of themselves. Then once they find it... There is no way to keep it front and center while moving onto those next task without printing or something similar.
If you have an outside the box idea for that I'm all ears.
What I don't really get is how does physical paper do this when digital paper does not? It is that they can't resist playing Flappy Birds between office visits? If the staff get a PDF or other information up on the screen and hands it to the doctor, how is that more confusing than paper?
Creating a PDF steps.
Click print
Choose PDF printer
Give name for file - assume location on network to be saved is automatic
Grab iPad
Find file open file
Hand to docPrinting or app idea.
Click print
Choose ap or printer
Grab ipad/paper
If pad launch app otherwise skip
Hand paper or pad to docAt minimum it saves the step of the employee naming the PDF.
Next you'll say well just accept the default. That still means the staff have to remember that file name to find on the pad.
You missed steps like having to wait for the printer, having to secure the printer, making sure that you have your paper and not someone else's and having to track the paper and shred it afterwards.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Creating a PDF steps.
Click print
Choose PDF printer
Give name for file - assume location on network to be saved is automatic
Grab iPad
Find file open file
Hand to docThe obvious answer is... this is all dumb and you should have an application that does this, not people. And no printing, PDFs or similar should be involved. That's just weird.
But even given that process.... it seems like this could pretty easily be changed to:
- Click Print
- Hand iPad to Doc
If the printer device makes a PDF automatically on the iPad and opens the PDF, all other steps are eliminated. You just have to choose the right printer to have as a default.
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So you have an issue with data presentation and organization not printing. The data is already there they just need an app to display it properly.
Not sure what you mean by properly- easily is a better way to think of it.
The docs claim, and perception is king, that it takes longer to find stuff in a EHR than a paper chart. I will give them that it takes longer to enter data... On paper you just write what med you want. In EHR you find it in a huge list, requiring scrolling... Etc.
Same goes for orders etc.
It's no longer write what you want. It's find what you want from a long list.
Is it better for patient care? Hell yes, does it take longer? Oh hell yeah. -
Click print
Hand to doc is what I wantDo you have a solution that will do that?
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@Dashrender said:
So you have an issue with data presentation and organization not printing. The data is already there they just need an app to display it properly.
Not sure what you mean by properly- easily is a better way to think of it.
The docs claim, and perception is king, that it takes longer to find stuff in a EHR than a paper chart. I will give them that it takes longer to enter data... On paper you just write what med you want. In EHR you find it in a huge list, requiring scrolling... Etc.
Same goes for orders etc.
It's no longer write what you want. It's find what you want from a long list.
Is it better for patient care? Hell yes, does it take longer? Oh hell yeah.Or is it because it is slower, more costly, more risky and makes them more billable hours?
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I believe hand writing should be illegal for doctors to do. It's careless and reckless in this day and age. Sure if there is an emergency and a power outage or something, but for intentional care? I'd fire any doctor so incompetent and clueless. If they need to handwrite, how can they be capable of valid patient care? This is a serious question. Many of my family members are pharmacists and they talk constantly about the lives that they save from uncaring, incompetent doctors willing to kill their patients rather than have legible medical information.
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They handwrite here in Greece, but they also don't HAVE computers. There isn't any money for them. And the handwriting is nothing like what you see in the US.
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I wonder what percentage of malpractice insurance exists only to cover the risks caused by handwriting instead of using digital records?
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@scottalanmiller said:.
Or is it because it is slower, more costly, more risky and makes them more billable hours?
I know you think all US health care is out to screw you, but we get paid in my office by the visit, not amount of time spent with the patient.
Being more efficient might allow us to see more patients and make more money... But not spending money on paper definitely would save is money as long as the solution doesn't cost more than the paper savings.
As for securing the printer... I laugh in your general direction.
