What am I missing here (Exchange 2010 on server 2012r2)
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@Sparkum said:
Server already existed so its a blind cost (sort of speaking) we just added another virtual, and honestly we haven't touched it since it went into production.
Other than adding a user here or there, but we would be doing the same process with O365 as we would in house for thatSo I would say as of today we are definitely ahead.
You do need to perform refreshes though which is an added cost every few years. Also, you will eventually run into problems and need to perform maintenance. These are all costs. You are doing that instead of something else beneficial to the company, you know what I mean?
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@wirestyle22
Ya 100%But to be completely blunt with you, the higher ups see the invoice plain and simple.
They don't see what we do day in and day out.
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@Sparkum said:
@wirestyle22
Ya 100%But to be completely blunt with you, the higher ups see the invoice plain and simple.
They don't see what we do day in and day out.
That's unfortunate. I understand. I'm in the same position here at my company. It won't stop me from fighting to do things the right way and eventually make myself obsolete--which is essentially what I'm doing. They will most likely have someone working here per diem.
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While I do prefer to move Exchange out, it is not a clear cut simple answer. Even considering all costs.
The biggest mistake people make when it comes to discussing Office 365 is lumping all the services and costs into one thing.
Instead, you need to determine what parts of the puzzle are needed.
Exchange Online Plan 1: $4 per user per month (Exchange).
Office 365 Business Essentials: $5 per user per month (Exchange, ODfB, and SfB).
Office 365 Business: $8 per user per month (Desktop Office apps and ODfB).
Office 365 Business Premium: $12.50 per user per month (Exchange, ODfB, SfB, Desktop Office apps).If you are only discussing the need for Exchange, then you should be looking at $4 per user per month or $48 per user per year.
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@JaredBusch said:
While I do prefer to move Exchange out, it is not a clear cut simple answer. Even considering all costs.
The biggest mistake people make when it comes to discussing Office 365 is lumping all the services and costs into one thing.
Instead, you need to determine what parts of the puzzle are needed.
Exchange Online Plan 1: $4 per user per month (Exchange).
Office 365 Business Essentials: $5 per user per month (Exchange, ODfB, and SfB).
Office 365 Business: $8 per user per month (Desktop Office apps and ODfB).
Office 365 Business Premium: $12.50 per user per month (Exchange, ODfB, SfB, Desktop Office apps).If you are only discussing the need for Exchange, then you should be looking at $4 per user per month or $48 per user per year.
Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
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@wirestyle22 said:
Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
It's where most things are headed, yes. Necessary might be a strong way to think of it. But the trend is and has been that directly very rapidly.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
It's where most things are headed, yes. Necessary might be a strong way to think of it. But the trend is and has been that directly very rapidly.
Thank you.
I strongly word it because my understanding is that LAN won't be as supported as it is today in the future. How far away that is, I have no idea.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
It's where most things are headed, yes. Necessary might be a strong way to think of it. But the trend is and has been that directly very rapidly.
Thank you.
I strongly word it because my understanding is that LAN won't be as supported as it is today in the future. How far away that is, I have no idea.
Even if you have a traditional LAN, it doesn't mean your Exchange would be treated as a LAN resource, though. Email is inherently LANless by design of being a network to network communications platform.
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100% and I even stated below I think we chose the wrong plan for our company.
So while we paid $4k/year we were also licensing 20-30 users with Office 2013 but again, hidden costs.Ya, I think if we had gone 43012 = $1440 there would have been a greater chance of us keeping it.
But in the realm of eventually putting lets say 200 people on it, I feel it was an idea that would have died in our organization -
@wirestyle22
necessary no, strongly preferred, yes -
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
It's where most things are headed, yes. Necessary might be a strong way to think of it. But the trend is and has been that directly very rapidly.
Thank you.
I strongly word it because my understanding is that LAN won't be as supported as it is today in the future. How far away that is, I have no idea.
Even if you have a traditional LAN, it doesn't mean your Exchange would be treated as a LAN resource, though. Email is inherently LANless by design of being a network to network communications platform.
Isn't it more LAN-like than a cloud service? I suppose we could move our exchange server to a data-center and get more guaranteed connections and better power managemenet options/disaster recovery plans, but isn't that one of the benefits of the cloud or am I way off base here?
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Benefits of the cloud is its worry free, guaranteed 99.99% up time (typically), and maintenance free.
Then yes electricity, redundancy, internet speeds, etc -
@Sparkum said:
Benefits of the cloud is its worry free, guaranteed 99.99% up time (typically), and maintenance free.
Then yes electricity, redundancy, internet speeds, etcThat was my understanding. Thank you for clarifying
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Strictly form the Exchange side, here are the comparative costs.
Exchange Online Plan 1: 200 * $4 = $800/month * 12 months = $9,600/year.
Exchange 2013 Standard = $655
Exchange 2013 User CAL = $72 * 200 = $14,400You also have to consider The costs for Office and such. but this is just the Exchange numbers.
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@wirestyle22 said:
Isn't it more LAN-like than a cloud service? I suppose we could move our exchange server to a data-center and get more guaranteed connections and better power managemenet options/disaster recovery plans, but isn't that one of the benefits of the cloud or am I way off base here?
Well that's an advantage of hosted. Critical services should generally already be in a datacenter, in most cases.
But it's not LAN-like. Even on on premises Exchange server behaves as if it was its own thing.
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@JaredBusch said:
Strictly form the Exchange side, here are the comparative costs.
Exchange Online Plan 1: 200 * $4 = $800/month * 12 months = $9,600/year.
Exchange 2013 Standard = $655
Exchange 2013 User CAL = $72 * 200 = $14,400You also have to consider The costs for Office and such. but this is just the Exchange numbers.
And only the licensing cost. Doesn't include the Windows licensing, hardware costs, storage costs, backup software cost, backup hardware cost, Exchange admin cost, and so forth.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
Isn't it more LAN-like than a cloud service? I suppose we could move our exchange server to a data-center and get more guaranteed connections and better power managemenet options/disaster recovery plans, but isn't that one of the benefits of the cloud or am I way off base here?
Well that's an advantage of hosted. Critical services should generally already be in a datacenter, in most cases.
But it's not LAN-like. Even on on premises Exchange server behaves as if it was its own thing.
I understand. Thank you!
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@Dashrender I am planning on migrating to office365 or another hosted exchange service from Exchange 2010 too.
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For sure but after 5 years...
$50k vs 14k also considering we already have the office licenses, (not 2013 mind you but most of our users are so light on office it doesn't matter)
Trust me, I 100% understand both sides of this, but I'm not the decision maker or the invoice signer.
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@Sparkum said:
For sure but after 5 years...
The you have to pay for the new licenses, migrate to the new system.... that's when the really big savings of the hosted solution come in.
Plus, don't forget, you need filtering, AV and that stuff and that's always hosted and often $1-$2 per user per month cutting the cost of O365 in half.
