ThanksAJ in Car Accident
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
4x4 is a beautiful thing
Not in snow, that's how accidents happen. If you want to keep moving regardless of the danger and risk an accident, then 4x4. If you want to stop moving when it is too unsafe to drive but avoid getting in accidents, the secret of the snow bound club is that rear wheel drive is the safest.
Rear wheel drive cars naturally want to go straight (and get stuck.) Front and all wheel drive like to keep moving but lose control when slowing down. So they "feel" safe because they don't get stuck, but they are much more dangerous because they have less control
Same reason why race cars are all rear wheel drive. At those speeds you might as well be on ice and front or all wheel drive are just impossible to control under those conditions.
That makes sense, but I was thinking traction.
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@IRJ said:
That makes sense, but I was thinking traction.
Traction is what kills people
Front wheel drive using traction to cause the car to spin and all wheel drive losing traction from the wheels pulling against each other. On snow, at speed, all wheel drive actually has the least traction. -
Front wheel and rear wheel have roughly equal traction, but one likes to make the car go nose forward, the other likes to make the car go ass first.
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@gjacobse said:
@IRJ said:
4x4 is a beautiful thing
Just means all 4 tyres spin..
And when tires spin... the car slides. With two wheel drive, two wheels tend to stay stuck to road. With all wheel drive, you easily have all four loose.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
That makes sense, but I was thinking traction.
Traction is what kills people
Front wheel drive using traction to cause the car to spin and all wheel drive losing traction from the wheels pulling against each other...This is why tire places will often put the new tires on the rear of front wheel drive cars. It helps to prevent the rear from overtaking the front of the car.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@gjacobse said:
@IRJ said:
4x4 is a beautiful thing
Just means all 4 tyres spin..
And when tires spin... the car slides. With two wheel drive, two wheels tend to stay stuck to road. With all wheel drive, you easily have all four loose.
Can confirm. Slid into a ditch 3 days after getting my car (loose gravel, new driver, turn...in a manual...bad combo) because I was driving 4wd and thought it'd be better than RWD...nope. Learnt my lesson after that (also learnt to not cook the clutch on a curve...)
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Growing up in the snowiest populated part of the new world, I remember cocky all wheel drive people trying to follow me up I590 in Rochester. I was able to drive my rear wheel drive 1981 Monte Carlo boat up the unplowed passing lane at full speed with the floor pan riding the top of the snow the whole way without an issue. Some all wheel drives thought that if I could do it, they could do it and caused a huge pileup behind me. Shut the highway for the day. They spun out the instant that they hit the deep snow.
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Man, I miss rear-wheel drive cars.
I could go anywhere at all in my Firebirds, as long as I put the skinny tires on the back and a little weight in the rear-end. I hate that nearly everything is front-drive anymore. -
@art_of_shred said:
Man, I miss rear-wheel drive cars.
I could go anywhere at all in my Firebirds, as long as I put the skinny tires on the back and a little weight in the rear-end. I hate that nearly everything is front-drive anymore.I second that, RWD cars are 100x more fun. Having driven both extensively in the snow, you're crazy to think RWD is better. It's simply not. Not even close actually lol.
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@art_of_shred said:
Man, I miss rear-wheel drive cars.
I could go anywhere at all in my Firebirds, as long as I put the skinny tires on the back and a little weight in the rear-end. I hate that nearly everything is front-drive anymore.Same here. It's one of the few reasons I always consider a BMW. The high end cars mostly remain rear wheel drives (and it is why I don't consider Audi anything more than a glorified VW.)
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@MattSpeller said:
I second that, RWD cars are 100x more fun. Having driven both extensively in the snow, you're crazy to think RWD is better. It's simply not. Not even close actually lol.
Because you like spinning wildly out of control?
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@MattSpeller said:
@art_of_shred said:
Man, I miss rear-wheel drive cars.
I could go anywhere at all in my Firebirds, as long as I put the skinny tires on the back and a little weight in the rear-end. I hate that nearly everything is front-drive anymore.I second that, RWD cars are 100x more fun. Having driven both extensively in the snow, you're crazy to think RWD is better. It's simply not. Not even close actually lol.
Wow, I usually agree with you on most things. Enjoy your girly FWD's.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
I second that, RWD cars are 100x more fun. Having driven both extensively in the snow, you're crazy to think RWD is better. It's simply not. Not even close actually lol.
Because you like spinning wildly out of control?
In a RWD car, intentionally, on dry / wet pavement - oh hell yes.
Given the choice of either on snow or ice I'll take FWD every time.
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@art_of_shred said:
@MattSpeller said:
@art_of_shred said:
Man, I miss rear-wheel drive cars.
I could go anywhere at all in my Firebirds, as long as I put the skinny tires on the back and a little weight in the rear-end. I hate that nearly everything is front-drive anymore.I second that, RWD cars are 100x more fun. Having driven both extensively in the snow, you're crazy to think RWD is better. It's simply not. Not even close actually lol.
Wow, I usually agree with you on most things. Enjoy your girly FWD's.
lol it's ok to be wrong every now and again
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@art_of_shred said:
@MattSpeller said:
@art_of_shred said:
Man, I miss rear-wheel drive cars.
I could go anywhere at all in my Firebirds, as long as I put the skinny tires on the back and a little weight in the rear-end. I hate that nearly everything is front-drive anymore.I second that, RWD cars are 100x more fun. Having driven both extensively in the snow, you're crazy to think RWD is better. It's simply not. Not even close actually lol.
Wow, I usually agree with you on most things. Enjoy your girly FWD's.
I feel it important to point out that I prefer to drive RWD cars
If you compare the two on snow, FWD is just better.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
I second that, RWD cars are 100x more fun. Having driven both extensively in the snow, you're crazy to think RWD is better. It's simply not. Not even close actually lol.
Because you like spinning wildly out of control?
In a RWD car, intentionally, on dry / wet pavement - oh hell yes.
Given the choice of either on snow or ice I'll take FWD every time.
Why? On dry pavement, doesn't matter much. It's the control on ice and snow that makes RWD so important.
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@MattSpeller I'm glad you don't feel too bad about it. Maybe next time...
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@MattSpeller said:
If you compare the two on snow, FWD is just better.
How? It has less control, it is dramatically more dangerous.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
If you compare the two on snow, FWD is just better.
How? It has less control, it is dramatically more dangerous.
You're just 100% incorrect. The weight of the engine and trans sitting right on the wheel gives traction. You can start, you can stop. Much more safe than RWD.
