Virtualization Build - Punch holes in this build please
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@Dashrender said:
Doesn't using a Scale device change his risk solution?
As I understood it, Dustin plans to have two nearly synced servers over two diverse locations. In addition to that he'll have offsite backup at Rackspace or someone else.
This allows for the company to completely loose a location and stay up and running completely (though networking will have to be considered to make sure things flow correctly).
With a Scale solution, while it is possibly simpler to support also can't survive the main site being lost.
Now maybe that doesn't matter, i.e. if the main site is down, the whole company would be down anyway.
Just a thought.
I thought that his two main servers were at a single site.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Doesn't using a Scale device change his risk solution?
As I understood it, Dustin plans to have two nearly synced servers over two diverse locations. In addition to that he'll have offsite backup at Rackspace or someone else.
This allows for the company to completely loose a location and stay up and running completely (though networking will have to be considered to make sure things flow correctly).
With a Scale solution, while it is possibly simpler to support also can't survive the main site being lost.
Now maybe that doesn't matter, i.e. if the main site is down, the whole company would be down anyway.
Just a thought.
I thought that his two main servers were at a single site.
You're probably right, I must have misread it.
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You could easily be right, I just had not noticed that he said two sites. I miss stuff like that often, though. But I looked back and have not found it yet.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You could easily be right, I just had not noticed that he said two sites. I miss stuff like that often, though. But I looked back and have not found it yet.
yeah I read the second site into it. It's not there.
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This seems very costly to me. Are you using xByte? Have to look at a R720, or R710?
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@anonymous said:
This seems very costly to me. Are you using xByte? Have to look at a R720, or R710?
Those are xByte quotes. Did you notice all of the SSDs in there?
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Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
Server no drives ($10,156+/Each)Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?
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@anonymous said:
This seems very costly to me. Are you using xByte? Have to look at a R720, or R710?
As SAM mentioned there's almost $5k of SSD in there, plus it's pretty new gear. Brand new from Dell I shudder to think of what that would run you.
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The same thing could be said for what if the server dies, that I should diversify my server fleet.
To avoid issues such as firmware bugs etc.
Warranties are to protect the equipment and of course the warranty could be reduced for the second system.
But its the warranty to protect the equipment for the usable life.
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@anonymous said:
Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
Server no drives ($10,156+/Each)Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?
I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD
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@MattSpeller said:
@anonymous said:
Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
Server no drives ($10,156+/Each)Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?
I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD
This 10K price tag is for the Servers AND the 3 year Warranty, right?
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@dafyre said:
@MattSpeller said:
@anonymous said:
Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
Server no drives ($10,156+/Each)Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?
I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD
This 10K price tag is for the Servers AND the 3 year Warranty, right?
Must be because that's waaaaaaaaaaay too much for a warranty.
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Sorry there were some math errors in there as well.
Price updated to reflect list price. (I was updating an old written estimate)
Sorry!
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@dafyre yes.
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@MattSpeller said:
@dafyre said:
@MattSpeller said:
@anonymous said:
Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
Server no drives ($10,156+/Each)Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?
I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD
This 10K price tag is for the Servers AND the 3 year Warranty, right?
Must be because that's waaaaaaaaaaay too much for a warranty.
unless the hardware is free? lol
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Ouch a 20% increase.
I have to agree with the ask.. .do you need 24 cores? Would 12 be enough?
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@DustinB3403 said:
The same thing could be said for what if the server dies, that I should diversify my server fleet.
That's not how it is handled in the real world. Even the most demanding environments use matched hardware. You don't avoid buying two of the same car model to diversify hardware, right? Issues are either obvious or don't affect you simultaneously. Going to a different vendor randomizes in such a way that it puts you in more risk rather than less.
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@DustinB3403 said:
To avoid issues such as firmware bugs etc.
Better to just stagger installs. That's what big firms with very critical workloads do.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Warranties are to protect the equipment and of course the warranty could be reduced for the second system.
But its the warranty to protect the equipment for the usable life.
His question is... why pay for such a fast response when you have a failover system to keep you running?
If Dell can get you repaired in just over four hours, what justifies the cost of the second physical server and all of the Windows licensing necessary to use it when you will be back up shortly?
Why four hour and not next business day, for example?
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@Dashrender said:
Ouch a 20% increase.
I have to agree with the ask.. .do you need 24 cores? Would 12 be enough?
Or six?
Generally SMBs need only for to six cores on Intel Xeons and even that is often hardly utilized.
