Xen Orchestra Upgrading
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We don't want to stick manually on version for each dependency (there is a lot of them). And what about dependencies of dependencies? That's a HUGE thing to manage manually.
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@JaredBusch said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
All of @DustinB3403's fanboy enthusiasm aside, this is yet another reason why XO is not something ready for prime time in the SMB space. It is too much work.
By extension, this is also why XS is not ready for prime time in the SMB space. In this space we generally need ready built tools that take little to no fiddling to keep up to date and active.
As an ITSP, I can assure you that it is much more cost effective for my client to run Hyper-V and buy Veeam than to pay my rates setting up and maintaining something like XO.
The same goes for the in house lone wolf IT guy. His time is not free, no matter how some people look at salary employees.
Don't get me wrong, I like XS and XOA looks awesome, but for the price point, I will still recommend something stable that has been around longer (Veeam). Dropping the Price point means using XO and that is simply too much in man hours.
Just curious if @JaredBusch opinion is different or still the same?
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Note this opinion is on XS + XO from the sources. If you pay for the turnkey version (appliance + updater + support) this comment is not relevant.
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@olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
Note this opinion is on XS + XO from the sources. If you pay for the turnkey version (appliance + updater + support) this comment is not relevant.
Sure, but the turnkey version for an SMB is significantly more expensive than the SMB pricing for Veeam, so....
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@Dashrender Depends on the number of sockets you have.
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@olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
@Dashrender Depends on the number of sockets you have.
Am I missing something on the pricing page? I don't see anything that talks about sockets. What I see are monthly pricing levels. Continuous Delta backups are listed under the Enterprise version at $200/month, $2400 year. The last time I purchased Veeam Small Business was like $800 + $130/yr for maintenance and updates. In my case I have only 2 sockets, but I think the license is inline with VMWare's essential package, supporting up to 6 sockets.
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@Dashrender That's because our pricing is totally flat (against Veeam/VMware). So if XOA cost more for 2 sockets, it's not a general truth when you have more of them (that was the sense of my post)
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@olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
@Dashrender That's because our pricing is totally flat (against Veeam/VMware). So if XOA cost more for 2 sockets, it's not a general truth when you have more of them (that was the sense of my post)
and that's great - but it really does make it a difficult or impossible pill to swallow for the SMB market. With a hopeful consolidation, I should be down to 4 sockets (really I could do two if I had enough storage in a single box).
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@Dashrender Having support for less than $70/mo. isn't worth it due to the market size (we can't have a "big scale" effect that VMWare/VEEAM can have).
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What about 4 sockets for free without support and for personal use only?
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@aaronstuder said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
What about 4 sockets for free without support and for personal use only?
Why do you need that? just use the XO version then.
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@Dashrender It nice to have a appliance with easy updating.
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@Dashrender It's perfect for a home lab, and your don't have to install from sources
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Well if you go that route, why not make it free for everyone up to 2-4 sockets?
And no Oliver, I'm not really suggesting that.
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I would be interested in paying for a version that was:
Starter plus:- DR
- Delta backup
- CR
- FLR
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I mean thanks to ML it's a pretty easy install and upgrade.
If running a script is too much, then doing backups and stuff like that might be too much, as well.
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Yea we worked really hard to get it so the source version of XO installable with as few commands as possible.
Updating too.
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@olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
@Dashrender Having support for less than $70/mo. isn't worth it due to the market size (we can't have a "big scale" effect that VMWare/VEEAM can have).
But @olivier I know of at one person who could push for $70 a month. The price point you have now is just really steep.
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@DustinB3403 said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
@olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
@Dashrender Having support for less than $70/mo. isn't worth it due to the market size (we can't have a "big scale" effect that VMWare/VEEAM can have).
But @olivier I know of at one person who could push for $70 a month. The price point you have now is just really steep.
From a strictly financial point of view, Starter is almost negligible for us. It would be interesting with far more customers (eg at 2 order of magnitude). And even in this (impossible) case, profit will stay very small comparing to Premium users.
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@olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
@DustinB3403 said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
@olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:
@Dashrender Having support for less than $70/mo. isn't worth it due to the market size (we can't have a "big scale" effect that VMWare/VEEAM can have).
But @olivier I know of at one person who could push for $70 a month. The price point you have now is just really steep.
From a strictly financial point of view, Starter is almost negligible for us. It would be interesting with far more customers (eg at 2 order of magnitude). And even in this (impossible) case, profit will stay very small comparing to Premium users.
I totally get it, you need to eat. The problem that I don't think is obvious is that many businesses look at $500/month and wonder "what are we missing, we can't afford it"
