Win7PRO to Win10PRO Upgrade
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@BRRABill said:
@Jason said:
@BRRABill said:
Another question/thought is that I am going to be upgrading to a 2012 domain shortly. Should I do the Win10 upgrade AFTER that for group policy reasons?
You can update the GP central store. domain level doesn't affect GP.
Even on a Server 2003 domain?
You have me there, I don't know. Can you have a central store in 2003 only Domain?
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@Jason said:
@BRRABill said:
Another question/thought is that I am going to be upgrading to a 2012 domain shortly. Should I do the Win10 upgrade AFTER that for group policy reasons?
You can update the GP central store. domain level doesn't affect GP.
Even on a Server 2003 domain?
You have me there, I don't know. Can you have a central store in 2003 only Domain?
Yes, why would you think you couldn't?
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@Jason said:
@BRRABill said:
Another question/thought is that I am going to be upgrading to a 2012 domain shortly. Should I do the Win10 upgrade AFTER that for group policy reasons?
You can update the GP central store. domain level doesn't affect GP.
Even on a Server 2003 domain?
You have me there, I don't know. Can you have a central store in 2003 only Domain?
Yes, why would you think you couldn't?
I know they weren't part of AD in Windows 2000, I couldn't recall when they were added, if it was 2003, or later?
And assuming that doesn't matter, you can only edit them using a GPO client that understand them, which I know 2000 didn't.
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@Dashrender said:
And assuming that doesn't matter, you can only edit them using a GPO client that understand them, which I know 2000 didn't.
You use RSAT then. Even a Linux Domain controller can do a GP central store. It is just a file share nothing more.
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
And assuming that doesn't matter, you can only edit them using a GPO client that understand them, which I know 2000 didn't.
You use RSAT then. Even a Linux Domain controller can do a GP central store. It is just a file share nothing more.
Yeah I know. I mentioned the rest to make sure someone who has a 2003 server isn't trying to edit their GPOs from the 2003 built in editor, as I don't that editor will pull the templates from the central store...
As you said, you should use the latest version of RSAT on a client to make sure you get that access.
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@Jason said:
Yes, why would you think you couldn't?
Someone I know is waiting for "compatibility". Guess they don't know of what they speak.
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Another "con" is that Microsoft is not going to release any cumulative patches, i.e. Service Packs, for Windows 7: http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-gives-up-on-windows-7-cumulative-updates-full-focus-now-on-windows-10-498959.shtml. You can still get all the updates true, but it increases the amount of management bandwidth allocated to maintaining new systems or rebuilds.
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@Kelly no different than they did with NT 4 SP6a. Everyone was expecting a final SP7 with the last few years of updates but they never brought it out.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Kelly no different than they did with NT 4 SP6a. Everyone was expecting a final SP7 with the last few years of updates but they never brought it out.
Wow, stretching the memory on this one. I don't recall that NT4. SP6a was out for more than 2 years before most of the industry moved over the Windows 2000 server.
Not like Windows 7 which hasn't had a SP in what 5 years?
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@Dashrender said:
Wow, stretching the memory on this one. I don't recall that NT4. SP6a was out for more than 2 years before most of the industry moved over the Windows 2000 server.
In the portions of the industry that I saw, Windows 2000 had an uptake near zero and NT remained in force until 2003 took over. Windows 2000 really sucked.
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@Dashrender said:
Not like Windows 7 which hasn't had a SP in what 5 years?
It's pretty standard for the SPs to stop coming once the product is no longer a focus and they no longer see the users on it as critical. They keep the updates and patches coming, but they don't make the product look like it is getting new life.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Not like Windows 7 which hasn't had a SP in what 5 years?
It's pretty standard for the SPs to stop coming once the product is no longer a focus and they no longer see the users on it as critical. They keep the updates and patches coming, but they don't make the product look like it is getting new life.
Well they are doing that again right now with the press release last Friday - But frankly that was nothing new. In my opinion it was nothing more than a scare tactic against businesses.
Now personally - I think many businesses need these scare tactics used against them, otherwise they would never move.
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For those that didn't hear, MS basically said that they (MS) won't be making updates/patches/drivers for Windows 7/8.1 for newer hardware starting in July of 2017.
But I have to ask - Has MS themselves made updates/patches/drivers for new technology introduced into hardware since SP1 was released?
Furthermore, they wouldn't be required to do so anyway for Windows 7 because they are beyond the 5 year mainstream support that they offer.
Win8.1 at best would need to offer support until April of 2019, but considering that all support ends for Win8.1 in 2023 - if you walk back 5 years, that means mainstream support ends in 2018, so they are only losing about 6 months max of driver updates from MS. -
They are never requires to keep features coming or to package them into SPs. The only things that they are ever required to address, in any form, are security and stability issues and even those are generally a grey area.
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@scottalanmiller said:
They are never requires to keep features coming or to package them into SPs. The only things that they are ever required to address, in any form, are security and stability issues and even those are generally a grey area.
Well, they have two levels of support. The first 5 years is called Mainstream. I'm guess that it's basically an expectation (though no promise) that MS will add what is needed to make newer hardware, etc function when released. The second 5 years, Extended Support, is just for security updates - maybe we'll get lucky and they will include stability updates as well.
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They generally do as instability looks bad, even out of support.
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And instability often leads to security vulnerabilities, they tend to go hand in hand.
