Cannot decide between 1U servers for growing company
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@ntoxicator said:
Also making the assumption when running HA for localized storage (VSAN) or HA-Lizard iSCSI for XenServer.
The storage on each node will have to be the same so it can replicate on each node.
When you're building a new HA system, you design it so everything is identical anyways to remove the need to "adjust" anything.
That is a moot point to mention.
Build an identical system for HA.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm trying to understand the draw to more expensive Oracle/Cisco servers over HP or Dells?
Oracle are good, roughly equivalent.
Cisco is a big inferior. They are more like SuperMicro.
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm trying to understand the draw to more expensive Oracle/Cisco servers over HP or Dells?
Oracle makes sense for Enterprise stuff.. Not as much as it used to. But you can't really compare them to your low end Dell/HP stuff.
Oracle Sparc gear is extremely high end and probably the best on the market. But their AMD64 gear is just on par with Dell and HP. Nothing special that I've seen.
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@ntoxicator said:
I'm sure I could spec the servers enough with local storage to support the needs. However, then I be diving into HA-lizard terratory and would completely get away from our current NAS centralized storage.
If you need anything at SA (Standard Availability) or higher (like HA) you can't have that NAS in the picture. There is literally no means of using it (except as decoupled like as a backup target.) If you are comfortable with LA (Low Availability - meaning lower than a single server on its own with no protection of any sort) then you can use the NAS. But your stated goals rule the NAS out completely, no ifs ands or buts.
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You can always get two SANs and Two Hosts but it will be really expensive for not much of a setup.
You can get server with well over 20TB of local storage.
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@ntoxicator said:
Then its the though, Ok... then why not go with a packaged solution such as HC Scale.
I think that those are really the only two major good options... something like XenServer plus HA-Lizard that you support yourself or get third party support for (like from @ntg) or going with a full packaged HC product that does all of this for you and you get inclusive support.
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@Dashrender said:
Why are you comparing high end Oracle servers to low end HP/Dell? or are you saying that all HP/Dell are low end compared to Oracle? and if that is what you are saying, what make Oracle so much better? All all the leads solid gold? (kidding on that of course)
Oracle, HP, Dell, Fujitsu are all on parity. Cisco and SuperMicro is a bit lower, but still quite good (Cisco has questionable value, SM has good value.)
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@ntoxicator said:
LENOVO & the Lenovo IBM Server X were thecheapest so far
So is slapping a whitebox desktop in there. Still crazy
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Thanks everyone for continued input
Lenovo & Sever X are now off the list and will not be mentioned again or brought up for pricing.
I can re-provision these NAS units for back-up targets as suggested. Keep what is already here and then spend the money to do HA-setup using localized storage on the nodes
Its getting the CEO to pull bandaid off and spend some $$. We generate plenty in gross revenue and plenty to spare for net profit. 50 grand worth of new equipment I think would not be all that bad considering it can left in production for probably 4+ years
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@ntoxicator - for that kind of money, I could put in a cluster at the primary site, and cluster at a DR site, and have real time replication with failover and failback (and likely still have beer money left over).
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Cool!
Would this be HC-Scale you're talking? -
@ntoxicator yup. Straight list on a 2000 series 3 node cluster (before discounting) is ~35k, and a 1000 series is ~25k.... not hard to get there at all.
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@ntoxicator said:
Thanks everyone for continued input
Lenovo & Sever X are now off the list and will not be mentioned again or brought up for pricing.
I can re-provision these NAS units for back-up targets as suggested. Keep what is already here and then spend the money to do HA-setup using localized storage on the nodes
Its getting the CEO to pull bandaid off and spend some $$. We generate plenty in gross revenue and plenty to spare for net profit. 50 grand worth of new equipment I think would not be all that bad considering it can left in production for probably 4+ years
Holy crap $50K? I wish I had that kind of budget in the past!
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@Aconboy - nice!
I thought was going to be more than that..... next week lets maybe get together for webinar and review. like to see the entire rundown
also there any documentation on migrating from XenServer VM to HC scale? Or does it support the same disk image
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While a Scale solution would be awesome... it just seems like overkill.
But if HA is really that important to the CEO, he has little choice I suppose.
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@coliver said:
Holy crap $50K? I wish I had that kind of budget in the past!
Where's my 1 Million likes button?
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@ntoxicator I can directly import .qcow2 images. Where are you located in the country and I will have a guy ping you directly
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I'm anticipating 50k budget. Considering the millions of dollars we're grossing. They made comment of wanting something that will hold out until 2018 or so. To support ~300-400 employee's
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@Aconboy - East Coast.... Florida
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@ntoxicator said:
I'm anticipating 50k budget. Considering the millions of dollars we're grossing. They made comment of wanting something that will hold out until 2018 or so. To support ~300-400 employee's
Then just do what we all told you to do and buy Scale gear.
